Has it always been like this or...?

[Duuude007]

Except that the new people aren't using the roulette. They're queuing for that specific dungeon. You know, to finish their story.

DF = player roulette =/= duty roulette. You get fast access to the dungeon BECAUSE repeat players are joining in DF, don't kid yourself thinking otherwise.

The roulette that is 'random players joining' will always determine who is part of the majority, and ultimately what vote decides how the party will progress.

[Viridiana]

player roulette =/= duty roulette. You get fast access to the dungeon BECAUSE repeat players are joining, don't kid yourself thinking otherwise.

So, just so we're clear, "player roulette" is what everyone else calls "duty finder"? You can't just come up with random terms just to correct people when they think you're saying something you're not.

[Duuude007]

So, just so we're clear, "player roulette" is what everyone else calls "duty finder"? You can't just come up with random terms just to correct people when they think you're saying something you're not.

I already edited my post. semantics. it is still majority rules, regardless.

[Viridiana]

I already edited my post. semantics. it is still majority rules, regardless.

I'll agree with majority rules when the majority isn't being a ****. >_>

Edit, because stupid daily post restrictions:

And when the minority is being a ****, it isn't also considered harassment? Just saying.

Wanting to watch cutscenes is harassment now? Don't get me wrong, if the person who wants to watch cutscenes is *also* harassing people, that's an issue. But to say that the majority rules when the majority can't even do math to find better ways to get tomestones. . .

[Duuude007]

I'll agree with majority rules when the majority isn't being a ****. >_>

And when the minority is being a ****, it isn't also considered harassment? Just saying.

[Intaki]

You telling me that my time isn't worth as much as someone else's because they are new and I am not, is frankly a stupid way to look at this.

It's actually a widely accepted business truth in the MMO and gaming world. New money is considerably more valuable than old players you already know are hooked.

[Mugiawara]

I'll agree with majority rules when the majority isn't being a ****. >_>

Too late. It's rare to see that happen in something like Prae. I don't even understand why people queue for it because
the whole reason was to help newbies finish it, the vets get a bonus.

Newbies get story done.
Vets get SOL Bonus.
Everyone SHOULD win.

[Intaki]

Frankly, the best solution would be to remove almost all of the tomestone rewards off the CM and Prae dungeons themselves and attach them to the new player bonus. Now THAT would be bargaining power.

[Noshpan]

Except that the new people aren't using the roulette. They're queuing for that specific dungeon. You know, to finish their story.

Others would say "Don't use duty finder to queue up for CM/Prae".

There is no winning side to this debate at all.

[Anapingofness]

I'm really sorry you had to go through that Nekoko.
As shameful as it is to admit, this has been an ongoing problem since... well, pretty much 2.0 launch. (My solution to this issue is to simply make all CS in those dungeons unskippable, for everyone.)

However, know that after CM and Prae you will not have to suffer those types of people in story dungeons since SE chose to put them before and after dungeon completion.

The only thing I can tell you is to not let them get to you any more than they have. If you should ever run into this issue again, report the idiots for harassment asap.
Know that they do NOT have the right to force you skip cutscenes or fights. And they certainly do NOT have the right to belittle you because you want to enjoy the storyline.
In this case, those people are entirely in the wrong and they should feel ashamed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again- Watching the CS at the in is a cop out. Furthermore, people who have no desire to let newbies experience the story in those two dungeons should not queue for them. If they are after tomes, there are far more efficient ways to go about getting them.

Regrettably, some members of the FFXIV are huge jerks. There is not much SE can do about their behavioral problems. SE did try to help newbies out by throwing incentives for the vets to come back- i.e. large tome bonus, gil, etc but all it did was backfire.
There are a number of ways to combat these types of players. You can report them for harassment, stand up to them, or if need be, leave the instance.
Another thing you can do- and this is more for your sanity than anyone elses, is get a couple of friends to go with you. When I ran CM and Prae, I had as many friends as I could gather come with. We weren't a full group but we were the majority. Likewise, whenever an FC mate or friend needed these dungeons, I would try to get the majority of the players to be with me. Even if all you can get is one person, it's better than nothing. Sometimes all it takes is one person to side with you to break the sheeple herd mentality in these dungeons.

Lastly, know that these idiots are not the majority of this playerbase. They are a very loud and very vocal minority. Since 2.0 launched there has been a push to have more tolerance and respect toward newbies, especially by people who were also forced to skip cs and fights.

-feeds nekoko cookies- If you were on my server, I would have gone in with you and you would have enjoyed the dungeons properly.