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  1. #1631
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    I really never get that whole pre cast medica II before anything that's like the first big rookie mistake any WHM should be learning not to do.
    There is more than one way to play WHM, but ideally you save the healbombs for the raid-wide damage, otherwise you screw-over the tank. WHM's who think they're supposed to contribute significant DPS to a fight are often the ones that cast medica II, then switch to CS and spam DPS until it's up, and then repeat. The problem with this line of thinking, short of throwing the DoT's on a boss, is that it's not trying to be conservative with MP use at all. If you have a party with two healers who both use the same rookie playbook, it's going to cause some wipes.

    Even in 4-man fights, I avoid using Medica II and Regen unless there really is a reason for it, but there's rarely a reason to use it unless your tank is trying to speed run everything, and you're having to spam as much HoT's before the Tank dies. Which just isn't smart. When there is a single boss, and it has an unavoidable AOE incoming, then you hit Medica II.

    The (Coil) raids have different mechanics which invoke party healing more often because of this. If you don't pace yourself, you will run out of MP.

    Back on the "bad groups to be in" stories. I'm really hating on Bards that don't use any of their songs. In the grand scheme of things you can tell when a Bard isn't doing it's job because their MP will be full all the time. A lot of this comes from there being no practical use for the songs in solo play. Not even the Job quests give any reason to use them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saseal View Post
    You know, come to think of it, I find myself doing that, too - and then wondering WHY people stay out of the middle while doing so.... but never really tried standing in the middle, myself - unless I ran to heal someone on the other side.
    The only dungeon that I specifically stand in the middle for are Trials/Mainstream boss fights, because that's where Party Healing is most effective and the easiest to target everyone. But this only works if the Tank takes the boss to the end of the room. Otherwise I will normally head to the left or right, mid-room, since the Melee's will pile up near the boss, and the ranged will be just close enough to solo heal.

    However you do not want to do this if the Boss has ranged AOE's. Most Boss rooms involve a lot of AOE dodging by the Healer. So if you're standing near the Melee's closest to the boss, that AOE will force all the melees to move. If you're standing near the casters, then they have to move. Hence why most bosses I try to stand just outside the AOE cone away from everyone, even if it's in the center of the room.
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    Last edited by KisaiTenshi; 04-06-2015 at 04:31 AM.

  2. #1632
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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    ^

    Talking about pre casting Medica II before a Tank pull. It's bad and you shouldn't do it. And boss wise it's talking about last boss in WoD. She has no frontal cleave and pretty much attacks only the Tank apart from her mechanics and a targeted AoE that follows the target. There is no reason a Healer can't stand in the middle for it. It's actually easier to target both sides of the room from the middle and safer because you don't have to worry about anyones beam hitting you. The rest of you said isn't relevant to what we were saying.
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  3. #1633
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Back on the "bad groups to be in" stories. I'm really hating on Bards that don't use any of their songs. In the grand scheme of things you can tell when a Bard isn't doing it's job because their MP will be full all the time. A lot of this comes from there being no practical use for the songs in solo play. Not even the Job quests give any reason to use them.
    I normally play Whitemage but occasionally I bring my Bard to a duty. For normal dungeons it's really not necessary to use my songs. Only times I use them is on a long boss fight and I see the healer's mana dropping low. I've met with mixed results.

    Either
    A. Healer doesn't notice it at all that he gets his mana back up.
    B. He thanks me for it.
    C. Basically pretty rude about having enough mana, so he doesn't need the *beep beep beep* ballad.

    So yeah. Don't always blame the Bard for not playing songs. Some healers can be pretty toxic.
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    Last edited by Elysaine; 04-07-2015 at 05:59 PM.

  4. #1634
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    cgbspender's Avatar
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    Honinbo Dosaku
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysaine View Post
    Either
    A. Healer doesn't notice it at all that he gets his mana back up.
    B. He thanks me for it.
    C. Basically pretty rude about having enough mana, so he doesn't need the *beep beep beep* ballad.

    So yeah. Don't always blame the Bard for not playing songs. Some healers can be pretty toxic.
    There are a few occasions you should be playing manasong. As soon as one of the healers die. Or when the fight is lasting way more than expected. Or dozens raises occured. But this is only possible when you're not in Requiem Foe anyway. If any of the above situations occur too early, you're likely under Requiem Foe and perhaps low on mana yourself. Won't blame any bard for that. It's fine, we'll wait until you get it back yourself, for a refill ;p

    I've encountered absolutely none who would get rude about receiving mana in those situations. I play both as a bard and whm. And use macro for both.

    as a bard "/p <<Mana Song>> for everyone. Stay close"
    as a whm "/p Sing me a <<Manna Song>> please"

    As a bard, I always keep an eye on the hp/mp bars (maybe because I'm a whm before anything, and can't help looking at it) and a whm will never have to ask me this. As a whm, I always have an eye on my mana, my buffs/debuffs and my position. I will know at all times where the bard(s) is. And believe me, all whm who have at least played a bit as such, know what the manasong buff icon is like. We know when we're being buffed ^^

    If you have no thanks from it, it's the whm being rude indeed, or a quite terrible whm imo, for not recognizing the icon imo. This would be "bad", rather than "rude"
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    Last edited by cgbspender; 04-07-2015 at 06:28 PM.

  5. #1635
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    E'dok Edok
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    Masamune
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    If you have a SMN or BLM, then you should always be playing Foe's IMO.
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  6. #1636
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    Melody Quinn
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    Lamia
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Yesterday i was running haukke manor on my scholar. The two dps were both bards. Every time the tank would make a pull they would both start spamming their aoe attacks and start pulling enmity off the tank. Obviously this caused them to start taking a ton of damage and caused me great stress. About halfway through the dungeon the tank says "so are all bards retarded, or just you two?" They didn't respond, but they took the hint and cleaned up their act for the rest of the dungeon. It was overall pretty funny.
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  7. #1637
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Got caught up with the recent stories. You guys need a lot of hugs.
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  8. #1638
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Got caught up with the recent stories. You guys need a lot of hugs.


    ^infinity
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  9. #1639
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    Felicia Meracle
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Got caught up with the recent stories. You guys need a lot of hugs.


    Very much so.
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  10. #1640
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    Sagittarian's Avatar
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    Nesshin'na Kasai
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkerOrange View Post
    If you have a SMN or BLM, then you should always be playing Foe's IMO.
    But not before the pull. I've seen too many bards "accidentally" pull by using Foe's Requiem.
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