Your character as background decoration <Spoilers>

[Remus]

Just to say you may wanna get rid of the swear words in some of your posts because they will ban you if you use them happened to me ^^'

[Felis]

well 1st of all the discussion is about cut scenes and how your character is background decoration and not about combat and AI so the argument is irrelevant.

That would be boring.
If there is a fight, then let us fight ourselve.
In every story fight with cutscene we entered the battle field and not just watched.
CS1 -> battle -> CS2

It was since 1.0 this way with character battle within story CS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8yZ...tailpage#t=223

3rd no one is arguing the outcome so even if everyone died (think crisis core ending) after being overwhelmed by soldiers but fighting no one would complain. the only problem with the ending is your character not doing anything.

This would be interesting

1. fight back
2. don't fight

Player choose #1 10 times and die 10 times (with a bad ending CS). Then he choose #2 and the story continue ^^

[kehn]

Ok listen. i got to school for game development. and the reason your character don't do anything in these cut scenes (all the cut scenes in the game not this last one) is because logistically speaking it is a nightmare to create cut scenes for an MMO where you could be any given job at any given moment. There is no rational justification in the storytelling for this. that is where creativity comes in. How can you communicate that your character is an important piece to the story and the savior of eorzea (which has been said all the time even in this last quest) without the flashy combat that other npc have.

For gods sake stop talking about how fighting would make things worse. The scions are fighting. did you forget that when you were accused of killing the sultana they were automatically accused too of being accessories in the crime? If the scions are fighting you fought. you are the scions and the scions are you. As for the analogy of countries and assassination. that was a terrible analogy. Eorzea is one country. with city states that work really close together. A better analogy is if the state of new york and 2 other states had just worked together to repel forces from spain lets say and were a really close alliance and on the celebration a coop started to take over the leadership of new york and those other 2 states don't do anything about it because reasons.

Again there is no narrative justification for your character as part of the scions don't do anything. even if they give the gran company leaders a pass, which i do not since they should know better than leaving in the middle of the heat of the fight.

[kehn]

Player choose #1 10 times and die 10 times (with a bad ending CS). Then he choose #2 and the story continue ^^

They don't need to give you 2 cut scenes, you chose #1 fight, your friends die you escape (having fought) you dont fight, your friends die you escape (like a coward) same outcome.

[Mikhaill]

For gods sake stop talking about how fighting would make things worse. The scions are fighting. did you forget that when you were accused of killing the sultana they were automatically accused too of being accessories in the crime? If the scions are fighting you fought. you are the scions and the scions are you. As for the analogy of countries and assassination. that was a terrible analogy. Eorzea is one country. with city states that work really close together.

The Sultana doesn't rule the Gridania's. Kan-E-Senna (SP) does. She leads her own people, Mewlbyrn (More sp) leads her own, and Nanamo/Rauhbahn....(Yeah I'm bad with names) leads their own. Even though it's one country, they still all look after their own people in their own states. They can't be meddling into another cities-states affairs. They may, who knows? Gotta wait til' 3.0. Doing that would make Ul'dah turn around and aim both of them. See? Now all the City States are in a big ass mess.

As for the "We are the Scions, and the Scions are you." ... We're a much greater thing than the Scion's. We do way more than the Scion's ever do. We are the Scions for all I know, just us because all they do is open gateways to fight battles and they are no where to be found otherwise then as we return we get another "I can always count on you." from Minfilia eeeevery single time. It's about time they actually did something for us, and put their lives in danger, FOR US, as we've done for them and others plenty of time. I've gained more respect for them than I ever had.

It's very obvious you dislike the path chosen. I'd like more options too, even like...a word option just for a different NPC text but I'm alright with how this went down.
Nothing you can do for now. Maybe we'll get more of a choice later down the road.

[kehn]

As for the "We are the Scions, and the Scions are you." ... We're a much greater thing than the Scion's. We do way more than the Scion's ever do.

that is not the point -_- I even gave an example. from a storytelling point of view you and the scions are the same entity. that's why they were accused automatically of being accessories of the crime even though you were the only one in the room. so for them to stay fighting is as if you were fighting, thats why you were smuggled out. or what? you think there will be a trial and someone will say "well technically he didn't kill anyone(brass blades, crystal braves), it was just the other scions" give me a break...

[kyuven]

Fighting may or may not make you look guilty, but you'd still be killing people who may or may not just be following orders, not to mention if you DO fight back then they'll spin it to make it look worse, since while you didn't kill the sultana, you WOULD be responsible for the deaths of people ostensibly acting in the best interest of the law, at that moment. Teledji himself and some of the guards may be in the wrong, but you can't prove that. Plus you can (and do) escape later.
You're innocent, you know you're innocent, no one's REALLY going to believe you killed the sultana, but in that moment if you level half of ul'dah and kill all the troops, even the ones who are fighting back merely because you're now resisting arrest, how are you better than the people who killed Nanamo?

That said, the escape scene was still stupid. There was no good reason for the scions to stay behind instead of you except "the plot says so." Really you and Alphinaud should have swapped places in that scene from a feasibility perspective. That may have even been the original plan, since Pipin just bamfs out of nowhere and Yugiri's reveal scene is technically off-screen. But given the cutscenes were ALREADY the longest we've had in a very long time, they prolly had to trim them for time.

[Mistoltin]

People seem to think that there actually has to be a fight.

How about, uh, no?
Let's play it out this way, cutscene goes on, you're called a wanker and told you killed some big-wig even though you didn't, shit goes downhill and then boom, choice time, you can choose to stay and fight, or to run like a coward.
If you pick the former, instead of the fight, they could just have the insistence of the Scions that you should leave, maybe even forcing you to leave. There, character has agency, player has control and you get the same conclusion. You're powerless, you're in an unfavourable situation, boom, it doesn't have to come at the cost of making our characters all the same boring person which should be MMO suicide, but all you damn fanboys are ruining it.

[kehn]

People seem to think that there actually has to be a fight.

How about, uh, no?
Let's play it out this way, cutscene goes on, you're called a wanker and told you killed some big-wig even though you didn't, shit goes downhill and then boom, choice time, you can choose to stay and fight, or to run like a coward.
If you pick the former, instead of the fight, they could just have the insistence of the Scions that you should leave, maybe even forcing you to leave. There, character has agency, player has control and you get the same conclusion. You're powerless, you're in an unfavourable situation, boom, it doesn't have to come at the cost of making our characters all the same boring person which should be MMO suicide, but all you damn fanboys are ruining it.

even that would have made all the difference

[Seig345]

I spend 99% of the game running around killing stuff and taking down bosses and raids, I think my character earns himself a break from the action during the cut-scenes. :3

[...] should be MMO suicide, but all you damn fanboys are ruining it.

Wait, people who have a different opinion of the game than you are ruining an MMO's suicide?

Seeing as I enjoy the game, seems like a plus to me!