Your character as background decoration <Spoilers>

[kehn]

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what army? did they send armies to kill the primals? or bahamut? you sound like you've never done any game content in a party before. why would you separate from the scions and break the party apart. if you can't think things pass your nose, please don't comment here. I want a intelligent discussion. not justification of bullshit with the same destroyed argument over and over again.
if you go back to ul'dah and talk to npcs you will realize no one thinks you did it. this is a handful of traitors that even if you can't defeat in a battle you could at least have escaped as a team. And i'm not concerned about people dying. actually i thought that was great.. but how your character didn't do shit about it or try to do shit for that matter. not only your character but the other 2 grand company leaders that are also pieces of shit.

[Kedrah]

Or people are unhappy that their characters cannot even attempt to attest the situation and attempt to fight back? That could have been a conversation option which then followed with you maybe trying to fight but being forced to run by the Scions, then they could drop a line that of any of them, you are the one who MUST survive.

The fact that such a thing is happening in an MMO is a disgrace. If they didn't want to make a game that adapted to people's characters of differing persuasions and personalities, then they shouldn't have bothered making a fucking MMO, where the backbone is the fact that these are OUR CHARACTERS participating in these events. That's what people are mostly upset about, the fact that even though despite everything our efforts wouldn't matter, we don't even get a chance to attempt anything.

Having a choice like that would surely have been interesting, but I'm perfectly fine with the way things played out (and so are a lot of other people). They were trying to portray that sometimes your character is going to be completely helpless. Could they have done that in a better way? Certainly, but this maximizes the drama and danger of the situation.

[kehn]

10 is probably enough to be honest. Yea, I can speed pull dungeons all day long with a competent team. By yourself? 10 mobs are gonna cut you down pretty fast.

lol in the same breath you're saying the party should have split to be usefull and that 10 mobs would have destroyed you because you were alone... WOW!

[Velthice]

if you can't think things pass your nose, please don't comment here. I want a intelligent discussion. not justification of bullshit with the same destroyed argument over and over again.

Then why are you posting here?

[Velthice]

lol in the same breath you're saying the party should have split to be usefull and that 10 mobs would have destroyed you because you were alone... WOW!

I'm pretty sure with the responsiveness on npc cures, the outcome would be the same. Anyway, that was just the number given by another poster. We both know there are way more then 10 guys chasing after us.

[kehn]

I'm pretty sure with the responsiveness on npc cures, the outcome would be the same. Anyway, that was just the number given by another poster. We both know there are way more then 10 guys chasing after us.

yeah cause the storytelling of this game is limited by the AI responsiveness in combat. brilliant argument. keep them coming.

[Gilraen]

yeah cause the storytelling of this game is limited by the AI responsiveness in combat. brilliant argument. keep them coming.

Actually, Velthice was referring to if they made the escape a fight, an actual fight, instead of a scripted sequence like a cutscene. NPC healers are terrible and not to be relied upon, ever. I've had to redo countless fights because the NPC there was about as timely as a the weather...

[kehn]

Actually, Velthice was referring to if they made the escape a fight, an actual fight, instead of a scripted sequence like a cutscene. NPC healers are terrible and not to be relied upon, ever. I've had to redo countless fights because the NPC there was about as timely as a the weather...

well 1st of all the discussion is about cut scenes and how your character is background decoration and not about combat and AI so the argument is irrelevant. 2nd IF there was a fight like that even with npcs there would be no argument because the argument is that your character didn't do shit. 3rd no one is arguing the outcome so even if everyone died (think crisis core ending) after being overwhelmed by soldiers but fighting no one would complain. the only problem with the ending is your character not doing anything.

[Mikhaill]

Then why are you posting here?

I dunno why he has to make another topic just for him to curse and all and get edgy because no one
thinks the way he does lol. If you want an "Intelligent" discussion keep away with the cursing and respect
peoples opinion's on it all.

what army? did they send armies to kill the primals? or bahamut? you sound like you've never done any game content in a party before. why would you separate from the scions and break the party apart. if you can't think things pass your nose, please don't comment here. I want a intelligent discussion. not justification of bullshit with the same destroyed argument over and over again.
if you go back to ul'dah and talk to npcs you will realize no one thinks you did it. this is a handful of traitors that even if you can't defeat in a battle you could at least have escaped as a team. And i'm not concerned about people dying. actually i thought that was great.. but how your character didn't do shit about it or try to do shit for that matter. not only your character but the other 2 grand company leaders that are also pieces of shit.

You're playing back-seat anyways because I highly doubt most people who are saying they'd try to do something, would be doing something without thinking rationally in they were 100% placed in this situation.
You're not thinking pass the fighting. That's like saying I dunno...Japan and France came over, having a ball with the US, President gets assassinated by Afghan and then Japan gets all up in arms and joins the fight, that means they have to risk their people over here too and that is too much in the pot right now. It was obvious the other two city-states wanted to help, especially the Admiral. And yes, you're up against the Braves now and the whole Uldan folks. This is why I said on another topic and someone has mentioned "You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't" and I'd just take the easiest route and leave before things gets worse than it already is.

[Velthice]

the only problem with the ending is your character not doing anything.

That there's even a problem is debatable. Lots of people really enjoyed how things played out, most people talked to in fact. (anecdotal evidence to be sure, but unless some mandatory poll is released, neither of us can claim majority) You simple disagree with the story, and hey man, that happens. It's literally impossible to produce something that everyone likes. Maybe they'll get Tarantino to direct the next story arc, but until the you're just gonna have to grin and bear it.