Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

[Riepah]

There is a significant difference between killing monsters, Garleans, Primals, Beastmen and corrupt people out in the wild and killing groups of guards in town who to the general populace are just doing their jobs.

What's the difference between killing corrupt people in the wild and killing corrupt people in the city? Both of those groups of people could've "just been doing their jobs" to the general populace. It couldn't be any more obvious that they are corrupt when they're trying to frame the savior of Eorzea with poisoning the Sultana, of all things. What reason could we possibly have to do that? How do they think the Warrior of Light benefits in ANY way from killing the Sultana? Besides - what the general populace hears about this whole incident is in the hands of the Syndicate anyway. They can tell the common people whatever they wish to tell them, even if we didn't resist, they can claim we did and killed half a dozen innocent guards. I mean - duh, what were the scions doing? Papalymo and Yda killed their fair share, and so did Y'Shtola and Thancred. Why is it okay for them to kill corrupt guards but not for us?

Killing a few Crystal Braves would pose even better ammunition for them to use against you. Not a lot of people know about the Crystal Braves turning against the Scions as it all happened in private, so they'll just assume you turned traitor and kill some of your own.

Alphinaud, the very LEADER of the Crystal Braves can confirm it just fine, however.

[AdamFyi]

Alphinaud, the very LEADER of the Crystal Braves can confirm it just fine, however.

Wasn't he gaoled?

[Riepah]

Wasn't he gaoled?

Uh, no. He wasn't. You mean Raubahn, the leader of the Immortal Flames.

[AdamFyi]

Uh, no. He wasn't. You mean Raubahn, the leader of the Immortal Flames.

I remember Pipin specifically mentioning about breaking him out because he believed that they were innocent.

[AdamFyi]

Uh, no. He wasn't. You mean Raubahn, the leader of the Immortal Flames.

In reply again because I looked up the cutscene. Yes, Alphinaud was captured and gaoled. Pipin implies as such during the escape from Ul'dah while on the carriage when he stated, "Needless to say, I did not think his imprisonment justified."

[Riepah]

In reply again because I looked up the cutscene. Yes, Alphinaud was captured and gaoled. Pipin implies as such during the escape from Ul'dah while on the carriage when he stated, "Needless to say, I did not think his imprisonment justified."

And what is your point? Just because he was gaoled and broken out immediately doesn't mean he isn't still the official leader of the Crystal Braves and perfectly capable of confirming that THEY are the traitors, and not the WoL if they had cut some of them down.

[AdamFyi]

And what is your point? Just because he was gaoled and broken out immediately doesn't mean he isn't still the official leader of the Crystal Braves and perfectly capable of confirming that THEY are the traitors, and not the WoL if they had cut some of them down.

Refer to:

Not a lot of people know about the Crystal Braves turning against the Scions as it all happened in private, so they'll just assume you turned traitor and kill some of your own. Welp.

Then refer to:

"Needless to say, I did not think his imprisonment justified."

Not saying that events would be completely different - just that the credibility of Alphinaud drops just because you decided to murder a few people. If you took a look around and talked to some of the NPCs scattered around the world after finishing the 2.55 questline, you'll find out that some of them genuinely do not think of you as guilty and that some of them are just doing their job. What do you suppose would happen if say, during your killing spree that you end up murdering innocent Brass Blades/Crystal Braves that didn't know better?

I'm not against having choices in the cutscenes, but for this particular event, I really do not see how murdering people would help you in the least in that situation. You're making yourself look bad by murdering people. At the same time, because you are pretty close to Alphinaud, his credibility would possibly drop because of your decision to resist. Same with the Scions.

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Pretty sure that Ascians being hard to kill is more based on their biology than our power. Remember that Ascians are basically ghosts that possess humans and cannot be killed be conventional means. Just because we couldn't kill him normally doesn't make us weak.

But my question is, does the strength of an Ascian depend on the body they possess? Or does possessing a mortal body grant it supernatural powers? I'm kinda curious. Was it ever explained?

[FrejyaAthenes]

But my question is, does the strength of an Ascian depend on the body they possess? Or does possessing a mortal body grant it supernatural powers? I'm kinda curious. Was it ever explained?

My answer is: Not sure. I think a body just allows it to affect the material plane and the power's all them, otherwise Lahabrea would've found some depressed mage to possess rather than Thancred who has no magical ability.