Healer Buffs

[SarcasmMisser]

It's easier to round up what on earth are you saying? That the OP was just hyperbole? If it was why would you disagree with my post that is more or less calling that out? Why not let the op say what they're thinking, my first post was directed at the op and you come dashing in projecting yourself in his place like an imax, like you have a horse in this race. You don't know what they were thinking, everything in their defense is talking about you not them and you are clearly not seeing a spade for a spade. You are seeing something more than "30 seconds is too damn long to wait for healer buffs" because by your own admission it is too long, even if you don't use swiftcast for whatever reason, and instead treat the discussion as a partisan debate between 2 extremes.

[Selli]

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You never directed your post at anyone, you happened to reply while I was still in the thread so I answered. You wanted specific numbers, so I gave them to you with the stats I had on my own healers. I'm sorry that my information wasn't good enough for you. OP isn't going to answer everyone, so I figured an answer was better than none. But since you don't want my opinion and you're clearly so butthurt over it, I have no problem not continuing this conversation with you.

[SarcasmMisser]

You never directed your post at anyone, you happened to reply while I was still in the thread so I answered. You wanted specific numbers, so I gave them to you with the stats I had on my own healers. I'm sorry that my information wasn't good enough for you. OP isn't going to answer everyone, so I figured an answer was better than none. But since you don't want my opinion and you're clearly so butthurt over it, I have no problem not continuing this conversation with you.

Your maths stinks anyway so what else would I discuss with you? I didn't ask how much damage holy does I wanted a break down on the difference in comparison to the difference of other jobs based on the assumptions in the OP and if you can't describe that in maths then there's no discussion to be had. If you are not interested in using real maths then don't go making claims that are only proven by maths.

But then you didn't want to talk about what the OP said.

[dekal]

This is another thread that we come to see that it is not the the fault of the healer/tank/DPs but the person/player behind the screen playing whatever class s/he wants.

[Mitsuyo]

I hate when people run off, and i'm trying to cast buffs on them. "Then they're all like, Where is my protect?". Then i'm like well if you'd wait a damn minute i would give it to you.

[Gunspec]

If a missing stoneskin or protect at the beginning of the dungeon is causing trouble for a group and possible wipes... the REAL problem isn't the lack of healer buffs. Anything that COULD be warded off with those buffs can be healed through as well, unless we are talking about tanks who do massive pulls. The buffs are nice and should be up whenever possible, but they shouldn't make or break anything pre-endgame.

Some people just gotta go fast, and while it can be really dumb and inconsiderate, so is jumping into a dungeon and wasting several minutes "getting ready".

Of course, I throw all consideration out the window when I do guildhests. Nothing more fun than blasting through a guildhest at top speed while level 15ish players stammer about me ruining their roles. "But I'm supposed to tank.. you aren't supposed to damage, what are you insane?" TANKING MEGA DAMAGE WHITE MAGE ACTIVATE!

[dayspring83]

If a missing stoneskin or protect at the beginning of the dungeon is causing trouble for a group and possible wipes... the REAL problem isn't the lack of healer buffs. Anything that COULD be warded off with those buffs can be healed through as well, unless we are talking about tanks who do massive pulls. The buffs are nice and should be up whenever possible, but they shouldn't make or break anything pre-endgame.

Some people just gotta go fast, and while it can be really dumb and inconsiderate, so is jumping into a dungeon and wasting several minutes "getting ready".

Again, my fault for not specifying. This is only an issue (for me at least) when running dungeons that typically use a speed run method. And again, I used some editorial exaggeration...do buffs make or break a run? Probably not, but the damage mitigation also lessens the likelihood of me having to press the "oh shit" button too early and pull hate.

[KizunaBlade]

I am really starting to utterly despise speed runners for this reason as well as others. It was annoying enough on my own healer, but today I had to watch it happen to my best friend who had JUST HIT 50! He only had his AF gear and we were in copper bell hard. Tank runs off without buffs.(thank god for that lift or else my friend would have never had time)..proceeds to pull nearly the whole dungeon, and of course dies cause my poor friend cannot keep up. Then tank FINALLY looks at his gear, and INSULTS him for not having better gear. Then because my friend and the other dps did not know the mechanics (i did not have time to type it before tank rushed in) we wiped to first boss. Tank then yells at us for how we should know more with our gear. He then asks to be vote kicked cause he cant bear to be with us anymore.

This kind of thing drives me insane, it is a GAME! We are supposed to have FUN!. When did having the best gear and going the fastest override the fun and being a decent human being? Plus...in a lot of cases these failed "speed runs" make the dungeon take even longer then it would have the normal way. SMH...I just will never understand it.

[Selli]

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Oh gosh, that's horrible. D: Is your friend okay? I had something similar happen to an FC mate (but it was AK or WP, their very first 50 dungeon ever) and they got bullied so bad by the party that they just quit. Some people don't remember what it's like to be new or what their first end-game dungeon was like. It's overwhelming enough without having someone put you down just for being new.

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I don't play SCH much, but I know that those DoTs take forever to throw up (and then you have to Bane too! QwQ) and having both the buffs on the tank really gives you the extra time needed to get those all up and Bane'd without having to worry about wasting Atherflow stacks on Lustrates.

And Stoneskinning after a Raise is the best! I witnessed a LOLDRG live through a 1-shot simply because the SCH had stoneskinned him before the WHM could protect and he had taken a smack to the face as soon as he got up.

[YukariOro]

And Stoneskinning after a Raise is the best! I witnessed a LOLDRG live through a 1-shot simply because the SCH had stoneskinned him before the WHM could protect and he had taken a smack to the face as soon as he got up.

I've had the same happen when I tossed SS on the tank in t5 months back. SS is a lifesaver that is ignored all too often by most healers. I also tend to toss an Aldo on the tank too to help before I cast my dots on sch too. I think I probably rely on buffing more than most healers in this game anyhow, given how habitually I used them back in my FFXI days.

In fact, lately I've been using my whm more often than my sch for CT because I've gotten annoyed with too many white mages not tossing out the buffs and skipping SS completely at the start of fights.

Nothing I hate more than having to cast protect and SS on sch while knowing the whm's buffs are stronger but they're not casting it for whatever reason lol.