Land Needs Are Unmet on Balmung

[tocsin]

A broken system which gets continued development out of the pocket of players who have never and likely will never benefit from it.

And again, if housing is to be considered just fine as is, why not limit things in other sectors of the game in the same way? Only a certain number of Artisan/Forager equipment can be purchased, only a certain number of drops from raids per server; once they're gone, they're gone!

Actually, I would be pretty cool with that, IF they implemented a system of non-consensual transfer. Make the artisan gear like WWE Belts. You can challenge the wearer of the equipment to a "crafting competition", and whoever gets the best HQ goods, gets the gear. Raiding gear, transfer through dps skill checks (battle square anyone?). Housing through design competitions. whoever can actually design the best house, gets housing.

[Verdan]

Dude do you have any ideas that AREN'T like shockingly terrible?

I think the biggest issue is the fact that all the servers appear to be exact replicas of each other, creating a big disparity between the busy servers and the lighter ones. I don't know if it must be that way or not, but if so, it would probably make sense to offer emigration incentives.

I don't know much about their server architecture, but that does seem to have a ton to do with how limited the housing is. I suppose the best hope for us all is that as Heavensward goes forward they settle this stuff out. They're talkin' about 4 million players, but the housing would fit in with a small game with maybe a couple thousand, where a hard limit would be doable. Limits are creating horrifying economic situations and bottled demand now, even with the high prices they got a million complaints about when it was rolled out.

[Aeyis]

Dude do you have any ideas that AREN'T like shockingly terrible?

Then give him better ideas he can improve upon. In case you failed to notice his ideas are direct improvements of the ideas you guys suggest yourselves...lol.

[Verdan]

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me
Did you even read that post? Or the post where he says you should only get to play for a limited amount of time so that people don't hang around and socialize? Or where he called me a (GOT DANG)commie for wanting people to all be able to experience content in a videogame?
The problem I want to solve is housing being actually impossible to get on some servers, and practically impossible to get on others. A hard limit on housing forces this, and transferring isn't an answer, especially because there's a bunch of limits what you get to transfer and where you get to transfer to. Even if they eventually add a few districts, you're dealing with bottled demand on servers with no available plots, which will cause that stuff to be snapped up quick. The only real solution is to add a buncha new plots at once, or to continue adding districts at a good clip. Ideally, by auto-generation when stuff is full or certain plots are snapped up. If server architecture is the problem, I suppose we just gotta wait. But I'd certainly like to have that stuff beefed up before they add more stuff to housing, because a lot of people are locked outta content right now cause there's either no room or economic nightmares.
This is incompatible with people's stuff getting taken. I want everyone to be able to see the things they want, because this is just a videogame and we're all playing to have fun.

[Zelas]

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At this point, it's pretty clear you're feeding a troll. He's not from Balmung, so why should he even care what's going on there?
He has a house of his own, which he wasn't shy to mention a few times.
If anything, he's just enjoying laughing in our faces by making completely sarcastic bullshit suggestions to piss people off.

And people are biting, apparently.

Seriously, though. In the event that I'm wrong and he's not actually a troll, then he's just a self-entitled kid who likes being a special snowflake, so he wants everything to be limited. Which is a pretty stupid mindset to have in a MMORPG like FFXIV, where everything is pretty much designed to be casual and accessible.

Don't waste your time arguing with him.

[Aeyis]

At this point, it's pretty clear you're feeding a troll. He's not from Balmung, so why should he even care what's going on there?
He has a house of his own, which he wasn't shy to mention a few times.
If anything, he's just enjoying laughing in our faces by making completely sarcastic bullshit suggestions to piss people off.

And people are biting, apparently.

Seriously, though. In the event that I'm wrong and he's not actually a troll, then he's just a self-entitled kid who likes being a special snowflake, so he wants everything to be limited. Which is a pretty stupid mindset to have in a MMORPG like FFXIV, where everything is pretty much designed to be casual and accessible.

Don't waste your time arguing with him.

Considering replies like this one I cant fault him for trolling you. Between giving a troll reply and getting flamed, or making a sensible argument and getting flamed anyway, I would say the first one is the better choice.

Why respond with actual arguments if people will ignore them anyway, and burn you on a stake for not agreeing with them? Atleast if using a troll reply, someone gets enjoyment out of this pointless discussion.

[GenJoe]

MMORPG like FFXIV

That's the thing.. There is no MMORPG like FFXIV.. Much of FFXIV design defies MMO traditions and it's not exactly like the other FF games either..
I think the game suffers some serious identity crisis it's very wishy-washy when it comes to certain ideals.. It's like SE wants to please the casual gamers as well as the hard core gamers, which isn't a bad idea, but you can't please everybody..

he wants everything to be limited. Which is a pretty stupid mindset to have in a MMORPG

In the case of the former, that's how many MMOs are designed.. not all content is freely available to everybody. Housings are usually first come first serve, and you can even take other people's house/fort down and take over.

FFXIV, where everything is pretty much designed to be casual and accessible

Hmmm... But that's what would lead a lot of MMO players to get tired of the game.. Many of them need/want competition, no matter how trivial it may be. We need something to fight over, a medal, something tangible that we can see as a token of our efforts.



I'm not trying to twist your words by quoting you separately, but that's just how I feel about the game in general. It's very hard to put a finger on it and declare what kind of game this is.. I still enjoy parts of it, the hard core grindy part.. But the general loitering around cities and RP'ing doesn't really appeal to me much. In fact, most of those people just sitting around with shiny weapons with names like Kirito, Naruto, and whatever else anime character happens to be the flavor of the month just annoy the hell out of me, I wish there was less of that around here which is why I'd prefer a more hard-core dog eat dog environment and that can be achieved by limited goods which people have to compete over. Housing, gear, titles, money, whatever else it may be..

But I don't really care about the housing issue anymore, if it'll make you people open up your wallets and finally spend some money on the MB and get the economy flowing, by all means


I'm just throwing in my two cents to say what I feel is the source of this huge divide between the player bases' ideals.

[Intaki]

In the case of the former, that's how many MMOs are designed.. not all content is freely available to everybody. Housings are usually first come first serve, and you can even take other people's house/fort down and take over.

In EVE online, one of the most ruthless, cutthroat, and casual unfriendly MMOs in the entire genre, it is easier to acquire personal territory and keep it than it is to own a house on a crowded FFXIV server.

The FFXIV housing system does not cause competition. It's just a first-come first-serve game mechanic that functions as a gateway to even more game mechanics subsidized by the entire community for the benefit of only a few players.

[DVain101]

I'm paying a monthly subscription, like everyone else. That alone is reason enough for everyone to have the same opportunities and the same freedom of access to the content that is being created with OUR money. I mean, it just doesn't make sense, why should I be spending my hard earned money if it's being used to develop something just a select few players can enjoy? I mean, I can't enjoy it, so why should I pay for it? Why should anyone? As it is now, housing would make more sense as an optional service in the mogstation that you pay for separately to your subscription.
People shouldn't have to transfer to a different server and they shouldn't have to do anything else but invest their available ingame time on it... And they definitely shouldn't be attacked by elitist pricks that have fragile egos, too much free time and a need to constantly feel "special".

[tocsin]

Feeding the troll.

Off chance, am I the one being considered the troll here?

if so, I most certainly do not mean to be. I merely am pointing out, that housing, lijke in the real world, should be considered a valuable resource, and if we just give them out to everyone, then they cannot be.

I have an alt on balmung. He will never have a house. That's the price I pay, for having a character on such an over-populated server. That's the price we all pay for having our large server benefits.

pro:
lack of RMT spam
faster flowing market board
easier to find raid groups
more socialization
"balmung elite" status
cons:
no housing
login queues
more undercutters
less tolerant of newbies
nonexistent chances of getting credit for hunts

its just a tradeoff. The grass isn't greener on either side, it just tastes different.