Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

[Cailae]

Because Minfilia asked us to keep it a secret.

Alright, allow me to re-phrase: Why am I still SUCCESSFULLY solving theirs and now Ishgards problems?

Next time pay attention to the story instead of rambling on as if nothing happened with midgardsormr.

And you're ignoring that immediately after that, we killed an ascian.

[luciferbelmont]

Alright, allow me to re-phrase: Why am I still SUCCESSFULLY solving theirs and now Ishgards problems?


And you're ignoring that immediately after that, we killed an ascian.

And how did we kill that ascian? please do explain because you'll see that it wasn't by any means through the warrior of light we helped but that was all Moenbryda.

[Cailae]

And how did we kill that ascian? please do explain because you'll see that it wasn't by any means through the warrior of light we helped but that was all Moenbryda.

Uhm, what? Moenbryda went into the void and thrashed the ascian, rescued Minfilia, and made it weak enough to be trapped and perma-killed? Moenbryda was at best in that scene a battery. the entire event was brought about by the "de-fanged" warrior of light.

Edit: In fact, rewatching the scene Nabriales is completely shocked at the ability of the WoL to defeat him, reinforcing to the player that the blessing is not needed to perform heroic level deeds. That scene singularly shows that we are still quite beyond the norm in terms of ability and power.

[AdamFyi]

That scene singularly shows that we are still quite beyond the norm in terms of ability and power.

Defeating him does show that the WoL is still pretty strong without the power of light, I'll give you that. However, that was it. We defeated the Ascian. That is all. We did not kill him. We tried to using Moenbryda's plan, but there was not enough Aether to kill the Ascian. Moenbryda sacrificed herself to boost the power of that 'Sword of Light' and in the process, we were able to kill the Ascian. Without Moenbryda's research, we wouldn't have been able to kill that Ascian.

Thus, we can conclude that the WoL can be compared to Minfilia in terms of powers, but in terms of strength - we're probably just stronger than a lot of people.

[FrejyaAthenes]

Defeating him does show that the WoL is still pretty strong without the power of light, I'll give you that. However, that was it. We defeated the Ascian. That is all. We did not kill him. We tried to using Moenbryda's plan, but there was not enough Aether to kill the Ascian. Moenbryda sacrificed herself to boost the power of that 'Sword of Light' and in the process, we were able to kill the Ascian. Without Moenbryda's research, we wouldn't have been able to kill that Ascian.

Thus, we can conclude that the WoL can be compared to Minfilia in terms of powers, but in terms of strength - we're probably just stronger than a lot of people.

Pretty sure that Ascians being hard to kill is more based on their biology than our power. Remember that Ascians are basically ghosts that possess humans and cannot be killed be conventional means. Just because we couldn't kill him normally doesn't make us weak.

Think of it this way: if Superman or Goku fought against the Norse god Balder their attacks wouldn't do anything to him because Balder can only be harmed by Mistletoe. Does that make them weak?

[Krr]

Pretty sure that Ascians being hard to kill is more based on their biology than our power. Remember that Ascians are basically ghosts that possess humans and cannot be killed be conventional means.

That's correct. The main reason Ascians are so 'dangerous' in the MS is because they're dark spirits possessing host bodies; killing their host just causes the host to die while the Ascian's spirit disperses for a while, regenerates, and then possesses a new body. They're pseudo-Primals (or based on what we've seen with recent Primals, possibly even just plain Primals) in that sense. The point of the light-laser was simply to kill Nariables rather than only temporarily banish him.

[Felis]

That's correct. The main reason Ascians are so 'dangerous' in the MS is because they're dark spirits possessing host bodies; killing their host just causes the host to die while the Ascian's spirit disperses for a while, regenerates, and then possesses a new body. They're pseudo-Primals (or based on what we've seen with recent Primals, possibly even just plain Primals) in that sense. The point of the light-laser was simply to kill Nariables rather than only temporarily banish him.

Not 100% correct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...ViayJRs#t=4117

So what does ''gaoled'' mean? Its not a word many people on the internet will know of, I think.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Mordion_Gaol