White mage remain gimp because the can go scholar on real content?

[Yare]

Holy relies heavily on a bard to maintain momentum. Having mana issues without a bard ballad to maintain momentum will just mean larger periods of rest between pulls.

My friend, is that based on your healing experience as WHM? When did you pop your SoS?

A lot of WHM friends I know can easily do SR w/o bard's mage's ballad.

[Rubicon]

Why don't you as a player experience all the "real content" before firing your mouth off? /snip

As an end game WHM, how can I like this MORE???

[DarkmoonVael]

Holy relies heavily on a bard to maintain momentum. Having mana issues without a bard ballad to maintain momentum will just mean larger periods of rest between pulls.

I am not saying that white mages cannot do extremely well I am saying that I am afraid Astrology will add something unique to the table to make them wanted over just healing which white mages is pretty much the only thing they can do. White mages could use maybe regen 2 which bypasses cleric stance to heal for full so that white mages can do more then just heal. Virus and eye for an eye is ok in 4 man content but they should be able to provide the same dps that a scholar brings which a regen they can cast without healing debuff in cleric stance would put them more on par with scholar pet healing. Either that or make it where scholar pets are also given the debuff when in cleric stance.

Maybe even give white mage a more advanced form of cleric stance since it is in their base job that gives them a potency strength per tick on regen.

No, this is not what you have been saying in this thread. Really, just no. :

There is really no such thing as someone who main's a white mage. You play white mage then go scholar for the other 90% of the game.

You need experience in end game content as both healers, which you quite clearly do not have at all. To raid as either healer is to understand what each one does. WHM has raw healing power, which SCH lacks in abundance. Try digging out the raid group after each Giga or each mega-dives in t13 on SCH only and you will be having a "fun" time.

There is a reason why the SCH is on tank healing duty and WHM is on raid wide duty in a raid. Maybe you should ponder on that one for a while?

Holy relies heavily on a bard to maintain momentum. Having mana issues without a bard ballad to maintain momentum will just mean larger periods of rest between pulls.

So this WHM in your example obviously can't use Shroud of Saints effectively then. Also, when i run as WHM in dungeons, it Foes Requiem that i need playing, and never Mages Ballad.

Going to quote myself here, but well i think this thread is turning out to be be:

2) the useless WHM who believes the problem lies with their class, and not their inability to play said class.

And yes, most of this post is a reiteration of my first, but since everything has been glossed over, i think it needs to be reiterated.

[Raminax]

Holy relies heavily on a bard to maintain momentum. Having mana issues without a bard ballad to maintain momentum will just mean larger periods of rest between pulls.

Hardly. You simply need to remain out of combat while the tank gathers up the mobs until the next stop. Your natural out of combat MP regeneration and Shroud of Saints is more than enough to allow you to cast several Holy for each trash pack. At least it works for me; I suppose your mileage may vary depending on Piety numbers and group setup.

White mages could use maybe regen 2 which bypasses cleric stance to heal for full so that white mages can do more then just heal.

Your suggestion is, quite frankly, redundant. We can already just use Regen/Medica II, switch into Cleric Stance and keep enjoying the full power of the HoTs because of the snapshotting mechanics in FFXIV. Unless Squeenix changes how snapshotting works, there's no point to that kind of Regen II.

but they should be able to provide the same dps that a scholar brings

Honestly, my impression is that Scholars are the DPS of the healer duo more because it's practical (not as punished by Accuracy deficits, Faerie and Lustrate not affected by Cleric Stance, less MP problems when full-time DPSing to name a few), not because they actually do bigger numbers overall. Call me delusional, but I wouldn't be surprised if the highest theoretical DPS of White Mage and Scholar are actually very similar.

Either that or make it where scholar pets are also given the debuff when in cleric stance.

...I'll admit it's one way to neuter Scholars, though I'd imagine full-time Scholars would want your head if that ever happened. Actually, they'll probably want it just for you suggesting that change.

[Vlady]

*chuckles* I don't need to have bahamut prime to offer valid input on the two healers. I was in the high end for turn one and based on actual data from asking one of the best raid servers a lot of healers feel white mages are lacking.

[Vlady]

*chuckles* I don't need to have bahamut prime to offer valid input on the two healers. I was in the high end for turn one and based on actual data from asking one of the best raid servers a lot of healers feel white mages are lacking. Most who use to main white mage go scholar for all duty finder groups.

What is redundant is having to go in and out of cleric stance every 3-4 seconds while scholars can stay in it for long periods if time with a bot healer allied to them.

[DreamWeaver]

You may not need to have Bahamut Prime's head to offer valid input, but based on your past few replies, you've lost pretty much any credibility you may have had at the start of this topic.

A good speed running WHM does not require any form of Ballad at all, all the while churning out over 600 DPS per pull. (Hint : Out of combat MP regen, please abuse it)
We do not need your "Regen II" that "bypass Cleric Stance" for WHM to "do stuff", if you can't even toggle CS off, slap on a Divine Sealed Regen, toggle CS back on and bombs away, my question to you is do you use Eos with Sic mode?

Really, stop providing false points based on your "second hand experience", you are making a more clueless player out of yourself compared to the clueless player you were when you started this topic.

[radioactive_lego]

The most compelling evedence that SCH is the better class is that you see threads like this one every week or so. But vary rarely the other way around (OMG SCHs are sooo bomb drop 1989 obsolete bruh!).

[DreamWeaver]

I would say it's compelling evidence for something else entirely, not compelling evidence supporting that SCH is better

[Cynfael]

I would say it's compelling evidence for something else entirely, not compelling evidence supporting that SCH is better

I'm inclined to agree since most of these threads seem to be started by players who lack experience with both Jobs and with end-game.