White mage remain gimp because the can go scholar on real content?

[Vlady]

Alot of people are stating at how white mages are fine and bring the raw healing to the table in progression but is that really the issue? White mages are weaker on everything when compared to scholars and the only real draw back is stacking issues from other scholars with shields. I trully feel that the white mage needs a rework from its 1.0 days to make them relevant in 2.0 and beyond now.

Two people who I know who supposedly main white mages who have beaten all turns of Bahamut coils play scholars for 90% of the content that they farm now. The fact that scholar and white mages can can share almost all the healing gear in the game lets white mages get away from badly needing an overhaul because you can just go scholar to be a crutch.

SE had it right when they had bought gear on the left side for the high end currency being job specific.

[DreamWeaver]

Why don't you as a player experience all the "real content" before firing your mouth off?

The main strength of a WHM is the extremely potent AoE healing and better "on demand" ST healing (Embrace + Physick will end up healing more in the long run, but in FF14, damages to the tanks are spiky, and you cannot rely on Embrace + Physick to heal those spike damages, and Lustrates are limited, A WHM's Cure II can handle these damages easily).

"Oh but there's no content in this game that requires so much healing bla bla bla", and that is why the current Meta for raid healing is as follows:
WHM is the main healer in raid groups while being supplemented with the Scholar's fairy and occasional Lustrates.
Scholar spends most of their time DPSing, only switching to heal mode to assist the WHM in certain heal intensive phases.

A WHM's healing capability is extremely powerful, he/she does not require much from his/her co-healer (Embraces and occasional Lustrates as stated above) in order to keep the tank healthy.

If your team is not utilizing the Meta above, it's similar to people insist Monks perform raid mechanics instead of continually punching the boss, and then complain "Monks suck, their dps are the worst" as the poor monk's stacks keep falling off due to mechanic handling.

I started my essay with OP bashing, but based on his lodestone, it is pretty clear that he has not done any "real content" that requires the healers to have at least half a brain intact to clear. If you're in any way familiar with the current state of end game in FF14, you would not run your mouth stating "herp derp whm is so useless".

We'll continue on with the "Astro will replace WHMs!!" argument, as soon as SE releases more info such as additional skills etc for the class, any "theory crafting" done now is just baseless ASSumption.

[Tranquil]

Been relatively quiet on the WHM-hate bandwagon lately so I was starting to get a bit worried already. Thanks, OP.

On a more serious note, WHMs are fine and awesome. Who cares if two of your WHM main friends play SCH 90% of the time? WHMs are vital in progression - especially true for the FCoB; have fun with those WHMless T12/T13 clears in i110. Even now, outside of progression, WHMs are fine for farming of the turns, for optimal raid-performance and balancing. You can trivialize any job (pretty much) when you're balls deep into farming stuff in a mid-patch lull whilst decked in gear.

[DreamWeaver]

"Relatively quiet on WHM-hate bandwagon"? o.0

Please visit the below thread for more WHM hating WHM bashing goodness :
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...I-m-sick-of-it

[Tranquil]

Still, relatively quiet compared to the past prime times in popcorn munching. Perhaps I don't boredom-F5 the forums enough to spot all of the ever so very thinly veiled WHM bashing these days but I remember seeing more than just one or two threads of WHM QQ and hatewagoning going on simultaneously in times past.

That aside, thank you for bringing that topic into my attention - only read a few posts into it the last time, but it seems to have bloomed and blossomed quite beautifully.

[Yumi_umi]

Just wait for 3.0
Then lets see who goes where.
Whm , sch, ast
Let the buff/ nerf wars begin!

[Yuki_Tokita]

I stopped reading here:

the can go scholar on real content.

[Vlady]

But yet there is truth to what I say. You misconstrue bashing with wanting to see them buffed. If anything I am bashing scholars for being too powerful. There is really no such thing as someone who main's a white mage. You play white mage then go scholar for the other 90% of the game. My only issue is gear should not be shared between the two jobs. Then we would see fixes for the job.

[AskaRay]

But yet there is truth to what I say. You misconstrue bashing with wanting to see them buffed. If anything I am bashing scholars for being too powerful. There is really no such thing as someone who main's a white mage. You play white mage then go scholar for the other 90% of the game. My only issue is gear should not be shared between the two jobs. Then we would see fixes for the job.

This just..isn't true?

I have a friend who mains WHM. Does he have SCH leveled? Yeah, he has everything leveled. Does he share gear between the two jobs? Not really, not many at least, because (like me) he likes having separate glamors for everything. Actually I haven't even seen him use SCH in a long time.

The fact is, maybe people just like playing SCH more? I personally do; I'm like the worst WHM on the planet but I like to think I'm an okay SCH. Good WHM though are amazing; I love seeing them in duties. When I'm SCH I always hope my healing partner is a WHM.

[Ashkendor]

There is really no such thing as someone who main's a white mage. You play white mage then go scholar for the other 90% of the game. My only issue is gear should not be shared between the two jobs. Then we would see fixes for the job.

Lol? One of my best friends mains WHM and is exceedingly uncomfortable on SCH.

It works out great because I love SCH and am exceedingly uncomfortable on WHM.

WHM is great for any content in the game. *shrugs*