Suggestion to revoke the the bonus if new player leave the dungeon or raid.

[Aeyis]

I started playing in December during 2.4. I never had anybody hold my hands and I didn't expect them to.

While true, I'll give my personal experience as a counter argument.
Played mmos for nigh on.. 14 years? Played healer in endgame in wow for years.
As such I had no problems healing in dungeons at all, didnt get anyone killed, no wipes.


Untill Aurum Vale. Had 2 groups that wiped, one even kicked me (but I got back in, heh)
Why? Because the people in those groups had zero respect for anyone that wasnt used to doing it their way.

The first groups tank pulled 12 mobs, couldnt hold aggro because he only used a single flash, and took a trucks worth of damage because he didnt use cooldowns. Apparently it was the healers vault for ''not knowing how to ride aggro'' and not being used to speed runs.

Second group, we wiped a lot at the first boss. Why? Well noone actually mentioned any of the boss abilities despite being asked. The boss abilities are rather killer there.


Now those 2 runs put me off from running dungeons for a couple of weeks. And I have a good deal of experience with bad groups as it is. I can't imagine what its like for someone thats not just new to the game, but new to mmos.


While ''hand holding'' isnt needed in this game, I agree, peoples obstinate attitude often makes dungeons and what not take far longer/become less enjoyable because they dont think to consider those that are new to it.

Doesn't WoW have a regular mode and then a Hard Mode feature of the exact same dungeon?

I'm afraid you would still see plenty of ''newbies'' in the hard mode, and plenty of ''respectless elite'' in normal mode. Curse of the dungeon finder system.

[Mistoltin]

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That's why you have the ability to leave.
So you get a lock out timer, so what. It's like, what, 15 minutes? Grab something to eat and watch a youtube video or two, it's the luck of the draw and it won't kill you.
There are all kinds of people out in the world, some are assholes, some are stubborn, some only want to do things their way and some won't like the way you do things. Some things they want will work, some won't.

The only constant in all of these situations are you, and because of that it's on you as to how you deal with the situation, and to be honest, in a multiplayer video game, mind you, the optimal solution is just to leave because there's always room elsewhere that will probably be more than happy to have you.

[dekal]

Why not make dungeons that only vet players can enter. Let say after doing 30 times the dungeons. Only experienced players will be able to do. Like having two hardmode instances. The bonus will be only given to players that are not experienced in instances with new/still learning players. It is obvious that vet won't/have not the patience to wait for new or still learning in those dungeons.

[nuyu11]

My apologies here, I don't want to bring any argument here and my purpose for this thread is not to babysit the newbies, but asking for better solution so all of player can play with better experience. Yes I have to admit there is good seniors and also bad juniors, I just want to give some space for newbies to enjoy their first time entrance and cutscene especially Castrum Meridianum or The Praetorium.
In new player help section there is always newbie complain about the speed run or forced to skip the cutscene, yes the content is old and I can understand for some people are don't really want to waste their time or their has been through all the same thing so many times at the same day. All I can suggest is find better FC and not all newbies are lucky with that.

[Zumi]

You already lose 100 sol bonus if new player leaves or is kicked.

[Adire]

Make everyone who votes Yes in a kick against a newbie have to pay soldieries.

*not completely serious disclaimer*

Something to make them think twice would be nice though.

People are definitely too kick-happy currently.

[Gillionaire]

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Don't get me wrong, I've made plenty of mistakes in this game and wiped many many parties.. Even got kicked a few times also.

My first time in DD, I pulled 2 groups of mobs like I usually do, and started tanking them. Healer couldn't keep up because I wasn't staying in the circle, of course he couldn't.. I didn't know this as I was doing it, so we wiped.. I think I wiped them twice and they started to speak up calling me noob and telling me what to do.
Did I take offense to that? No, I f'd up, it's MY fault, I'm not gonna get butt hurt over people telling me I'm doing things wrong.

People may not say it in the nicest of ways and sometimes they skip over the explanation entirely.. but we live in a day and age where we can figure out the answers with a little bit of effort.
So I get kicked from the group, I go online and figure out what I did wrong and adjust accordingly. We can all do that..

What I'm trying to say is that as a mature person, you should be able to deal with a bit of criticism from complete strangers and even speak out if you think you're being abused.. They're complete strangers, if you've met them through DF, you'll probably never even see them ever again, I don't know how people can get so butt hurt over that or feel threatened even.. It's online, take charge of what happens.


I am of the opinion, you just deal with what you get..
In some duties, SE doesn't allow people to go on while your party member's watching a cutscene (beginning of 4 player dungeons, trials). In some, they allow people to go on ahead.
I get annoyed when somebody's watching cut scenes in Ifrit HM or EX because I know they've already seen it.. but I'm not going to argue about it to whoever chooses to watch the cut scene.

I can't tell other people how to play their game and I don't.. But don't tell ME how to play MY game either. If the game allows it and you think it's wrong, take it up with SE and tell them to change the design.. Don't blame the people for playing within a set of boundaries and rules. Our behaviors are shaped by that.

That said, it's all about the attitude.. I've had noobs in my group where I've slowed down the runs and waited around for people to watch cut scenes or just slow down the run in general pulling small packs and do full runs to accommodate. But ONLY if I'm asked.. Don't expect me to be a mind reader and figure out that you're new. It's not my job to do a search info on your character and do a gear check to figure out if you're new or not.

People are definitely too kick-happy currently.

Hell I agree that people are too kick happy. I was goofing around in ST doing manderville in front of bosses and waiting until the last second to heal etc.. I still kept everybody alive though and then some! even res'd other alliances.. (ST is a joke..) we had no problem getting the content done.. But the tank in the group had no sense of humor and kicked me while we were fighting Xande.. But oh well, I'm not gonna cry over it nor am I gonna stop queueing for dungeons completely because of being in a group with try hards.. I am still a little bitter But I can handle a little bit of disappointment..

TLDR:

I'm not your mommy and you're not mine. We're all grown ass adults here and we should be able to act as such.
No, SE doesn't have to be our mommy either!

[giantslayer]

I feel bad for new players who want to do Castrum or Praetorium and experience the cut scenes as they do it. Going through the DF is like getting thrown to the wolves.

My first time, I went with a PUG. I asked nicely to watch the cut scenes and by the time I finished the first cut scene after the opening, they had killed the first boss and went down the elevator already. I went down the elevator. There was no sign of them and I felt like a kid whose parents had left him behind at a store. This was a while ago (back when Soldiery was pretty tightly restricted) and even though I was a healer, I apparently wasn't needed. I dropped and waited until I could get a group from my FC to go. If I did not have an FC, I would have had to just suck it up and watch them at the Inn.

IMHO, the solution should be if there is a new player, cut scenes become unskippable for the new player and everyone else is blocked from moving on at the point where the cut scene occurs, just like at the beginning of a duty. Then give people a sh*t ton more bonus just for Castrum and Prae for waiting through half an hour of cut scenes, like 200 extra soldiery and 30 poetics. Naturally, the new player needs to complete the duty for everyone to receive the bonus.

[dekal]

That sound pretty good because it s like doing 16 DF in one DF. We get 120 by doing daily but still ppl try yo rush it but having 200 soldeiry and 30 poetics sounds good and the not able to skip CS with new ppl, the experienced player ll think it twice before trying to queue