Enkindle and Tri-Disaster: Useless as they come.

[Valoiz]

I'm gonna be wild and question why Summoners are poison masters instead of spirit-calling elementalists in this game. .

"Miasma (what u call poison) is the eternal threat of the people in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. Miasma is produced by the Meteor Parasite, brought to the world in a meteor that crashed into Mount Vellenge centuries ago. The gas brings pain and suffering to the world, so that the memories of the people are focused more on this pain and suffering.

When the miasma began to spread over the land, the Carbuncles advised the inhabitants to live near the crystals, which emit a protective barrier warding off the miasma. As a result, settlements sprouted wherever such a crystal rested. "

ARC have a lot to do/ are inspired (at least in the way they figth) with Crystal Chronicles lore from my POV. We can call the miasma even when its not spread around the world. Not and expert in FF lore but i cant stop thinking bout.

[Akiza]

The reason Summoner are poison masters as opposed to spirit-calling elementalist is because they are connected to the Scholar and it doesn't make since for the Scholar to be using Summoning Magic. Making Summoner and Scholar share a base class was a horrible idea because its a balancing nightmare. SE has to balance the both the Summoner against other DPS and Healers which makes it impossible to make the changes they need to make. Summoner should split form the Arcanist and get Elementalist/Summoning Magic and Scholar keeps the DoT Poisoning Magic.

[Valoiz]

Making Summoner and Scholar share a base class was a horrible idea because its a balancing nightmare. SE has to balance the both the Summoner .

I dont c it like that, also the "balance" SMN need its not that hard, we are not left behind by other classes and we are still a solid DPS (1 target and AoE) even we are not the "best" one, usually SMN are not the top DPS on any MMO anyway, as all jobs we shine on several fights and have a hard times on some situacions (burning fast stuff). THe thing i share with u its the need to make Tri-Dissaster an usefull skill and may change a bit how Enk works. To "buff" SMN, if SE find it neccesary, they just need to focus on the skills we dont share with SCH (egis skills specially) and Tri-disaster.

[seekified]

ARC have a lot to do/ are inspired (at least in the way they figth) with Crystal Chronicles lore from my POV. We can call the miasma even when its not spread around the world. Not and expert in FF lore but i cant stop thinking bout.

I love the Crystal Chronicles series, but here it doesn't make a lot of sense. When I think "Final Fantasy" and "Summoner" my first thought is the Tactics series, where they're basically black mages by proxy - call forth a spirit who wreaks havoc on command. The egis hardly satisfy that description.

The reason Summoner are poison masters as opposed to spirit-calling elementalist is because they are connected to the Scholar and it doesn't make since for the Scholar to be using Summoning Magic.

Agreed. ARC > SCH should've been their own tree, just as CNJ > WHM is.

[Sayora]

The reason Summoner are poison masters as opposed to spirit-calling elementalist is because they are connected to the Scholar and it doesn't make since for the Scholar to be using Summoning Magic. Making Summoner and Scholar share a base class was a horrible idea because its a balancing nightmare. SE has to balance the both the Summoner against other DPS and Healers which makes it impossible to make the changes they need to make. Summoner should split form the Arcanist and get Elementalist/Summoning Magic and Scholar keeps the DoT Poisoning Magic.

You have a point, having SMN tied to THM would make a bit more sense than ACN. At the very least, it would probably be easier to balance.

[Akiza]

I dont c it like that, also the "balance" SMN need its not that hard, we are not left behind by other classes and we are still a solid DPS (1 target and AoE) even we are not the "best" one, usually SMN are not the top DPS on any MMO anyway, as all jobs we shine on several fights and have a hard times on some situacions (burning fast stuff). THe thing i share with u its the need to make Tri-Dissaster an usefull skill and may change a bit how Enk works. To "buff" SMN, if SE find it neccesary, they just need to focus on the skills we dont share with SCH (egis skills specially) and Tri-disaster.

SE already stated in a live later that they don't want to make the Pet the main source of damage that's why Summoners got such a pitiful buff. Summoner has always been a proxy to the Black Mage. The Summoner has always has been about AoE Bursts with Summons reeking havoc and destruction on all their enemies while this Summoner is about being tactical and doing DoT. Arcanists and Scholar should be on their own tree while the Summoner gets its own tree.

[Dyvid]

SE wanted SMN to be a DoT / pet combo so it would be different from BLM and it's burst damage. MNK is different from DRG. NIN is different from MNK. It's not because of SCH or ACN. It's designed because that's who the developers wanted it. If anything SMN was designed first then ACN was decided to be the class with adding SCH as an after thought because they wanted to try healer with a pet.

[Akiza]

SE wanted SMN to be a DoT / pet combo so it would be different from BLM and it's burst damage. MNK is different from DRG. NIN is different from MNK. It's not because of SCH or ACN. It's designed because that's who the developers wanted it. If anything SMN was designed first then ACN was decided to be the class with adding SCH as an after thought because they wanted to try healer with a pet.

Scholar is the most developed of the jobs from the Arcanist. Summoner was designed as an after thought because SE didn't intend to design a Summoner they wanted an DoT class with a Pet and the ended up wit an Arcanist with Fester. All we have now is a Summoner in name only.

[Akiza]

The WoW DoT Pet Class is the Demenology Warlock whose Final Fantasy counterpart is the Puppetmaster. The Spirit Pet class in WoW is the Elementalist Shaman whose Final Fantasy counterpart is the Summoner. SE didn't intend to design a Summoner or it would've been closer to the Elementalist Shaman play style.

[Eloah]

Making Summoner and Scholar share a base class was a horrible idea because its a balancing nightmare. SE has to balance the both the Summoner against other DPS and Healers which makes it impossible to make the changes they need to make.

Having Summoner and Scholat share a base class isn't as big of an issue as most people think it is. Yes certain things will affect one more than the other, and certain things need to take into account both Jobs. But in the end, both on paper, and in "code", they are seperate. I mentioned this a little ways back when someone complained about the Ruin/Ruin II adjustments, and Summoners MP issues. Certain things can be tied to the Soul Crystal; why do you think Scholar has higher Mind and Piety, it's not because or Arcanist. Will certain moves/traits affect both jobs yes. Is it a balancing nightmare, no. Otherwise if everything was truly tied together, summoning the different pets would be an issue, stats would be an issue, even job abilities would be an issue. But since none of those are, it's clear that the tied jobs to the same class isn't the issue. Plus we arent even sure if they are truly doing away with this system. True the new Jobs have no base Class, but we dont know if that will be true for any future expansions.