People Need to Start Respecting Healers More

[Elmeron]

When you join a DF you are not entitled to anything in terms of loot. You are just 1 out of the 8 players with the same rights when it comes to the loot chest.

Didnt you know that the mirror loot is free for all and RNG based before you started the trial?

Im glad the other healer got it even if he was a bad player. The mirror is a randomly attributed reward and it worked correctly. Perhaps this bad healer used it to augment his weapon then joined a good group and finally get good at the game who knows? Perhaps you needed this just for useless glamour purposes.

Sure thing is , that expecting RNG to reward you for being awesome in a fight is just plain dumb. You cant blame the game if you still have such bias.

Pretty sure she was just sharing a bad experience she had as a healer. I'm sure she knows how RNG works.

[Destinova]

Each class has its roll to play, without healers ppl die, without tanks ppl die, without dd ppl die. It seems to be an unspoken rule: healers and tanks commend each other, and dd commend each other unless there are extenuating circumstances.

Like dd just auto attacking, tanks constantly losing hate, or healers letting tanks hp get to low or letting them die.

[Charisma]

healers letting tanks hp get to low.

I dunt see whuts wrong here, sir.

The art of healing in FFXIV is not to keep everyone at above 90%, its to get the maximum out of your class without someone dying to something unavoidable.

Why? You can't make a claim like that without some sort of justification. Are you trying to claim that tanking/healing is more difficult? More stressful? What about being a tank/healer, specifically, makes you inherently superior?

Yes, thats exactly what i claim.

Wanna tell me whats hard about doing your simple rotation and dodging aoes? DPS is easy to play in almost every MMORPG i played, and FFXIV is no exception, not even monk is as hard to play, as alot of people claim it to be.

Best example as heal is titan.. (i dont have any special situation in mind, so keep that to yourself) 3 DPS being total derps, dying to weight of the land or bombs, so this group pretty much got carried by the heals, because you know what? if healers do that, theres no one to raise them, but its more like "Yeah, hes the healer, hes supposed to dodge everything...keep everyone alive...and rez me... 10 times this is nothing special." So what do you get after this? maybe 1 recommendation.

Just appreciate your healer, for not being the derpy ninja in your 4-man group, who eats every aoe, and dies to every boss fight

[HulveinBlitz]

Some people feel healers deserve more notice.
Some people feel tanks deserve more notice.
Some people feel DPS deserve more notice.

You know what they all have in common? It's all opinions. Everyone has their role to play. If a person stands out to me, they'll get it. I couldn't care what job you are. Commendations were intended to be given to people you felt deserved it. I appreciate every individual I meet who plays well. I'm never going to downplay one role over the other. Because we can all pick out appropriate situations where one particular fight may lean towards valuing another role more.

We can do this all day.

[Dhex]

I play all roles - should people respect/disrespect me more or less depending on which Job I decide to role that dungeon/trial/raid?


Nah.




Unless you're Dragoon.


LOLDRG

[TruebladeNuke]

Well, I may as well add to the discussion about how each of us rolls with giving out commends, lol.

When it comes to me giving out commends... simply put, I give it to whoever went above and beyond what was expected of them. To break it down...

1: Tanks: Any time you manage to hold the hate of all enemies, respond quickly to spawning adds and drawing them to you in a matter of seconds (unless it's a DPS check scenario like the first boss in Pharos Sirius), stun (and silence, in the case of PLDs) at the right time to interrupt killer moves, AND make it so that they're turned away from the rest of the party, you're likely to get a commend from me.
Note, that since Tanks have a fair more amount of responsibility on trash pulls, you're likely to get a commend from me even if you just fulfill 3/4 of that list. Just try to pull any stray enemies that lose aggro on you to someone else during bigger pulls.

2: Healers: Unlike others, my biggest concern isn't if you can add a lot of DPS to the party... but if you're skilled in... you know... healing. That is to say, keep everyone alive (aside from Tanks and DPS being idiots and standing in fire and easily avoidable AoEs) from any and all damage they take, especially the Tank, while the rest do their thing. You ARE however even more likely to get a commend from me via bonus points by proving to me you're efficient on Cleric Stance Dancing. Healers who can both heal AND DPS are simply more likely to get one from me.

3: DPS have it the easiest to me, save for certain boss fights that requires them to pay more attention, then they have it harder than the Tanks sometimes. However, DPS can get commends from me too. The easiest way for me to put this is if I see a DPS making full use of their cooldown power buffs (even on trash mobs), know their proper DPS rotation to the point of where they maximize the full DPS output of their class, and even know JUST when to use the LB. (Especially if they're not even told to do it, but everyone was expecting it to come out anyway) Some other examples of likely getting a commend from me includes:

A DRG cleverly using Elusive Jump to get out of an AoE blast quickly, followed by using one of the later 2 jump attacks to get back on top of the enemy.

A BLM going out of their way to triple cast Flare. (Double is fine too)

A NIN going out of their way to keep damage buffs up on the enemy. (Trick Attack, as an example)

If I happen to see stuff like that, a DPS may very well get a commend from me.

Finally, if no one particularly stands out to me during the run, (all of them were doing excellent or decent) my commend automatically goes to the Tank due to a sheer lack of Tank players in the game. (Healer, if I happen to be the Tank myself) Lets face facts here... there really is a shortage of Tank players in this game. Duty Roulette says so. Often. Sometimes when I land in groups where no one in particular stands out, I may just commend the person who was the most funny member of the group. (With a good attitude to boot)

It's really rare for me to not give out a commend. You DO have to earn it from me, but in order for me to not even give out any commends to any member of the group, EVERYONE in the group has to be terrible or trolls. (Learning groups are excluded to me on this, since those people are still... well... learning)

[matteoxyz]

Healers are equally important but tank is a more demanding role, though. I play both and I find healing easy and relaxing while tanking is tricky and stressful. Also, healer is the least visible person in the party, whereas tank is front and center. That could explain why tank gets more commendations.

[AyaneSL]

Best example as heal is titan.. 3 DPS being total derps, dying to weight of the land or bombs, so this group pretty much got carried by the heals, because you know what? if healers do that, theres no one to raise them, but its more like "Yeah, hes the healer, hes supposed to dodge everything...keep everyone alive...and rez me... 10 times this is nothing special."

This titan example makes me cry...exactly the same when I tried to df titan ex. I know I'm not an excellent WHM but I'm always trying my best. 3 DPS kept falling off in landslides before heart phase and said nothing. I was dodging perfectly until a first fell off, then all of them started blaming me and laughing at me when I apologized, they said I SHOULDN'T play with a lag Internet (in fact I use 1G cable so it was rare). The other healer is nice, he told them it wasn't my fault because THEY were who kept falling off. They started insulting him as well. I felt really sorry to get him involved.

[Gurpsmeister]

People don't need to respect any one class more or less than any other. If a class is played well and right then the player deserves a commendation. Can only give out one though so sometimes you have to choose who you think did the best. Simply because you have healing magic doesn't make you that person.

[Velhart]

I just fail to see why a healer should be held to a higher respect or forgiven more for not doing your job right than a tank or DPS. Each role has their own difficulties to overcome and some fights require more out of one role than the other.