Just witnessed a newbie get kicked from Praetorium.

[Chukkaque]

For taking a wrong turn and getting lost for less than a minute...The person who initiated the kick also berated and insulted the tanks, one of which was new, the other in for the second time, for pulling a few unnecessary mobs."

Wow wow wow wow If I was in that party had the vote failed when I selected No, I would've instantly casted a vote to kick that player for harassment.

Being someone who runs endgame content, I understand wanting to rush through things.
But when any new person, or even multiple people say "Hey Im new" or "Hey I'm not familiar with this" instantly my brain goes "Okay lets it run the way we are supposed to run it." and I go into a mentor mode.

I seriously hate elitism and while sometimes I feel really bad for thinking "*sigh* this is going so slow...I wish I had a better crew to SR with." but I would never ever call someone out for being new or fresh.

Hell one time I was in a dungeon with someone who said they were not new to the dungeon, but as we went through it we wiped a few times. So I gear checked them and they were about 10 levels under what was needed. Mind you this was also a level dungeon, but still. I encouraged the tank to take his time, we can go one group at a time, no big deal, and after the dungeon to meet me at his home location, we happened to be on the same server, and then I have him 50K and bought him his entire armor set needed for the level he was at.

Its our job as "veteran" players to encourage and help educate the newer players so that they can "get on our level".

[Adire]

We need more players like you in the game Chukkaque!

I agree, it is our job to do that. I don't even get the elitists' reasoning...if they do this type of thing to all new players, what happens later on to them? Many new players will end up being skilled veterans ready to populate the end game if they make it past all of these jerks without becoming so discouraged that they move on to a different game. Driving them all away, distancing them, and refusing to help them helps no one, elitists themselves included.

A new player they scared away could have been a member of their static or something one day. Might not be a big deal with one person, but if this happens a lot? New players today are the experienced veterans of tomorrow. Scare them all away, and the elitists have less veterans to run with later on. Being nice is helping themselves too in the long run.

I personally find helping new people to be a refreshing and far more fulfilling and interesting experience than doing the typical speed run grind that I've done a billion times already. Wipes and slow runs caused by veterans who simply aren't trying (i.e. WoD geared tanks in ST who don't bother tanking and just dps) are what annoys me. I've found that most new people who have adequate gear can get the job done if they communicate, they just may need a little advice and are usually happy to be mentored.

[Aldora]

Wow wow wow wow If I was in that party had the vote failed when I selected No, I would've instantly casted a vote to kick that player for harassment.

Being someone who runs endgame content, I understand wanting to rush through things.
But when any new person, or even multiple people say "Hey Im new" or "Hey I'm not familiar with this" instantly my brain goes "Okay lets it run the way we are supposed to run it." and I go into a mentor mode.

I seriously hate elitism and while sometimes I feel really bad for thinking "*sigh* this is going so slow...I wish I had a better crew to SR with." but I would never ever call someone out for being new or fresh.

Hell one time I was in a dungeon with someone who said they were not new to the dungeon, but as we went through it we wiped a few times. So I gear checked them and they were about 10 levels under what was needed. Mind you this was also a level dungeon, but still. I encouraged the tank to take his time, we can go one group at a time, no big deal, and after the dungeon to meet me at his home location, we happened to be on the same server, and then I have him 50K and bought him his entire armor set needed for the level he was at.

Its our job as "veteran" players to encourage and help educate the newer players so that they can "get on our level".

I fully support this and i feel the same way about it.

We were once new players ourselves, so we know what kind of obstacles people will face and how to overcome them. So, why not help them overcome them as well? Let them enjoy the game as much as we do. Let them experience the content like we did back when we were tackling it for the first time.

I shake my head every time a player asks if (s)he needs to know anything specific about a duty and the only reply (s)he gets is “Not really.”. But, at the first sign of mistake, they would “complain”. Or when you explain the intended mechanic, they would say “No, don’t do that. Just ignore it.”. I mean… Really?

Like Chukkaque, i too slow down and automatically switch to mentor mode when i see the message appear that one or more players has yet to complete the duty for the first time, or when they say in party chat that they are new.

In content like the Crystal Towers, you are playing along side 23 other players, so the chances that they will wait for other to explain mechanics are very slim. In cases like that, i would say chat “I can give tips along the way if you like.” and give a summary of the boss mechanics when we get there. I have to say… It’s tough to explain mechanics in less then 30 seconds. (-_-; ) Even if you type very fast…

When i was working on my Zeta Zodiac, i would just queue up for Hard Mode primals like Ifrit, Titan, Leviathan, Ramuh and Shiva. Almost every run, i got the message that someone had yet to complete the Duty. Most of the Primals were being spammed with others who were working on their Relics, so we would burn down through the Primals and it didn’t matter if one or more people were new to the Duty. Except for Titan… Titan is and has always been the bane of a lot of people’s existence.

I really don’t mind wiping on Titan Hard Mode, because i know how much difficulty i had with it when i had i clear it for my first Relic. We were still in iLvl 70 or less back then. (Ahhh, good old memories).

But, every once and a while, you would get 1 person who would completely lose it after 2 wipes… Shouting things like “Learn your class!”, “Watch video’s before you enter!”, etc, etc. (the messages were quite rude at the time)

When things like that happen, i would tell them to “lighten up/simmer down” and support the newer player. I mean, come on. There’s no reason vent like that. I mean, it's just a game.

I even had a Ramuh run where 3 people were new to the duty and we wiped 4 times. But, we were joking about it and laughing like crazy while doing it. When we finally cleared it, everyone was happy.

So, who cares that the run took 4 times longer than it “should’ve”? If you get them the clear they needed and they are happy about it, doesn’t that make it worthwhile? (^_^ )

[seekified]

Attitude is a problem, yes, one that became orders of magnitude more apparent when I hit 50 and people wanted to speedrun the crap out of everything, but I think the bigger problem is that SE made grinding story content the best way to gear your jobs. Running CM and Prae for the fiftieth time isn't very exciting and I can understand wanting it over with quickly, but I personally try to guide and help the newbies whenever I can. A simple "Any new players here or are we all rouletting? " in the party chat when you pop will help a lot to set the tone for the whole run, and once you have confirmed newbies in your party it's easy to take charge of the whole group and preventing these things.

Plus, you get loads of commendations simply for being the one who talks.

[MeiUshu]

I would like to ask you this OP, as you do not state it, you did leave right ? since you considered the vote wrong?..because if you didnt, you in fact agreed with it despite what your vote was. The majority decided to boot but you still are a single person that has the right to not agree with the vote and in this game it means leave.

it happens often, very often, those discriminations are so often that is pointless to even speak about them until SE is willing to take up some responsability for giving a tool to immature people, that tool is not an open feast of *boot who I dont like*

Just me though..

Mei

[Eye_Gore]

A wise woman once said "DF is like a box of chocolates you never know what you're gonna get" Its a mixed bag, err box. While something like this shouldn't happen, it does, and it won't stop. With people of all walks playing this game we weren't all raised by the same momma. While I've had mostly positive experiences with other players those "bad apples" exist. Prae/CM seems to be the most unfriendly to new players even though its part of the story mode. It seems to be the most talked about here in the forums anyways. My first and only run in it was a whirlwind of "WTF was that". I had no idea what was going on, just stayed on the heels of the other tank and it was over in mere minutes, or so it seemed.

While it is inexcusable, unfortunately it doesn't seem like much is done about it. Report them, does that really do anything? Did the group really break the rules of the game? SE leaves it up to us to self moderate the group, and if the group votes one way, it is what it is. All one can really do is shake your head in disgust and press on. I don't play many online games but the ones that have large populations like this, its not a question of if you are going to run into that donkey, its when. Don't take it personal and don't let them get the best of you, its just some clown pushing a button on the other end.

[Adire]

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No, I did not leave. While I respect and understand the choice if someone chooses to do it, as it's one of the first emotional responses one might have, what would I have accomplished by leaving?

From a practical stance, the person had already been kicked and the damage done, I would have only inconvenienced and punished myself by leaving. That's quite a foolish statement to say just because I didn't leave, I must have supported the kick even though I voted No...and I argued with the person who did it and defended the remaining new people at that. And I said in chat that they should vote No and that the guy being kicked was standing right next to us. And I took the time to make this topic showing my disappointment. If I was fine with the kick, I'm pretty sure I would not have voted No or have done any of these other things....

If I left, they'd still get their run done, the person who got kicked would remain kicked, and I'd be locked out of dungeons for 30 minutes and have to redo everything again and would have helped no one in the end. Who wins in this situation?

I did my part by voting No and attempting to get the others to do the same. The group would have gone on fine without me, as I would have been quickly replaced by another DPS. Leaving would have given the kicker another victory while the rest of the apathetic people in the group would have simply not cared or paid any attention to it since they were not relying on me to further their gain. I refuse to give bad people that satisfaction.

I hate to be this way, but maybe I should start being very kick-happy. i.e if someone starts being a jerk, start a kick immediately on them without a second chance. It feels wrong to kick someone who has contributed, even if they're being jerks but otherwise are doing their job, but I can't count on people to do the right thing most of the time apparently if the jerk starts wanting to kick someone wrongfully, so...

[Felis]

Not to mention all it needs to clear your reputation from any and all atrocities you may have committed is a Fantasia and Namechange. Ever since they added the name change to the cash shop, community punishments related to someone's reputation went out of the window.

Not if the person is on the blacklist. The names in the blacklist change if someone change his name, because the characters ID is saved in the blacklist and the list show the current name of this character. And you can't change a characters ID.

[Havenae]

Like I keep saying, this game's community and anti-social behavior is its only detractor.

I'm not saying to let stupid people be stupid and that you have to stomach them, but if you want your game to be successful and retain new players then it pays to be a little nicer. and YES it does affect you as a player. Because once the new players stop coming in/retention declines.. well that's when things start happening like conversion to f2p, server closures and merges, possibly the eventual shut down of the game. This isn't WoW, it isn't a game with millions of concurrent users (3-4 million accounts aren't the same at PCU) It really cant afford to have already established players driving new ones off because they made a mistake in what is essentially a newbie instance.

It all starts with community.

[Seiryuukishi]

It is sickening to think humanity has come so far only to be so inhumane to one another. I am far from perfect even more so at tanking on this game. Time is not so precious that you cannot help someone new. I mean, you think these fools are trying scuttle the game. What do they hope to gain from being like that? Just insanity is what it is.