Just witnessed a newbie get kicked from Praetorium.

[Riepah]

... except, in an 8 player group where the one person being kicked doesn't count, 4 out of 7 is a majority. I agree with you that the person being kicked should be given at least some say in the matter though.

And if we disregard the votes of DPS players, 3 of 4 is also a majority. It isn't hard to get a fake majority when you go disregarding some people's votes. But when you say "majority" then it *should* mean "most of the people involved" - which 4 out of 8 isn't.
We could just disregard all people's votes but mine, then my 1/1 majority will conquer all.

[Adire]

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Sadly, it is better than most MMOs. The Secret World has the best community of any MMO I've played though, it far exceeds FFXIV's in maturity level.

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The person being kicked is still a person, worthy of rights. Riepah's point is exactly that. 4 out of 7 is only a majority if you consider the person being voted against unworthy of having a voice and exclude them. I see them as a person, so I see the vote as 4 people winning against the wishes of 4 people, which is not the majority of people getting their way.

[Natashio]

Unfortunately because this game depends heavily on cross server interaction in order to get content done, that knucklehead/s will always find ways to abuse this system because there's zero repercussions to their reputation. Thus is the reason these things happen and will continue to occur.

[Riepah]

Unfortunately because this game depends heavily on cross server interaction in order to get content done, that knucklehead/s will always find ways to abuse this system because there's zero repercussions to their reputation. Thus is the reason these things happen and will continue to occur.

Reputation damage is overrated. In my experience, the biggest offenders are often those with the biggest amount of friends/supporters/FC members. They don't need the rest of the server to like them.
Not to mention all it needs to clear your reputation from any and all atrocities you may have committed is a Fantasia and Namechange. Ever since they added the name change to the cash shop, community punishments related to someone's reputation went out of the window.

[Slirith]

Reputation damage is overrated. In my experience, the biggest offenders are often those with the biggest amount of friends/supporters/FC members. They don't need the rest of the server to like them.
Not to mention all it needs to clear your reputation from any and all atrocities you may have committed is a Fantasia and Namechange. Ever since they added the name change to the cash shop, community punishments related to someone's reputation went out of the window.

name change won't really help if you had their previous name lodestone URL unless SE fixed that.

[Riepah]

name change won't really help if you had their previous name lodestone URL unless SE fixed that.

But how many people on the server will hate someone enough to track them on the lodestone? How many will believe the one who calls out the person after they changed their name and looks? And will it sit well with SE or will it be considered harassment? Overall, there's too much crap involved with trying to track somebody's reputation with namechange involved, and too many people won't care. The effect of one's reputation on their day to day gaming life on a server is minimal at best. And as I said, more often than not, the culprits are part of big FCs who don't need the rest of the server to like them because they can handle most things internally. And if they can't - Duty Finder doesn't care about your reputation, either.

[Adire]

Reputation damage is overrated. In my experience, the biggest offenders are often those with the biggest amount of friends/supporters/FC members. They don't need the rest of the server to like them.
Not to mention all it needs to clear your reputation from any and all atrocities you may have committed is a Fantasia and Namechange. Ever since they added the name change to the cash shop, community punishments related to someone's reputation went out of the window.

Agreed. The "popular people" often do seem to be the ones who are the most like bullies. I'm sure most people know what I'm talking about who have been through High School, as well as many other examples. I feel like this sort of thing adds to the evidence of the monkeysphere theory being correct. The bigger your established friend network, the less you have to care about people outside of it, and the less they impact your reputation with people who you do care about.

I for one always strive to treat human beings like human beings rather than as unfeeling objects.

[Natashio]

They don't need any of those thing because the knuckleheads know that they can act/abuse how much they want on duty finder cause a 99% of the other players are not from their server.

[Adire]

I believe they'd still do the same thing if they were already inclined to do so. I highly doubt the person who did this even bothered to check if the person he kicked or the tanks he was insulting were from his server, simply because he doesn't care about his reputation because it is of little consequence. I really doubt most people would check on this honestly.

I can confidently guess that most people aren't going to go out of their way spread knowledge of these actions about a person around either. The fact that everyone in this group and in most groups I've been in where someone has been wrongfully kicked have done nothing to even stop the kicks in the first place also supports that guess. That's my experience at least.

[TruebladeNuke]

Sadly, rubbish like this is par for the course. Most people are total a-holes and the only real way around that is to pull from an FC. Sure, DF gets good experiences sometimes, but percentage-wise I'd put that in the single digits. BEST case scenario usually means totally silent speedruns that even ignore you when you just say hi.

It's awful, I agree, and I would've voted No if I had been there but this is sadly the state of the community. What's really horrifying is that I've been told by many people that FFXIV is the best mmo community they've ever seen. That's disturbing. I shudder to think what other mmos are like.

*Looks over at the times I played Guild Wars, Dungeon Fighter Online, and Elsword, where people attacked and insulted me just from walking by them*

Yeah, I'd say they're worse. The community behind FFXIV isn't quite as bad, but of course, being an MMO... there's plenty of a-holes running around. Especially endgame content. I tend to stay away from the Binding Coil of Bahamut simply because of the crap attitudes you typically find in there.