STOP the Gil Selling Tells PLEASE!

[LineageRazor]

I don't think anyone is claiming that RMT isn't a problem. It's a huge problem and SE seem to be ignoring it (to the displeasure of many customers).

Well, to be honest, if anyone thinks SE is IGNORING the problem, they haven't been paying attention at all. SE regularly churns out reports of RMT accounts banned and so on and so forth. Just look on the main Lodestone page under "Notices". See all the entries entitled "Actions Taken Against In-Game RMT". There's more than a dozen in the past couple months alone!

More legitimately, some folks are displeased with the presumed (note PRESUMED - none of us know exactly what SE does, and we are not told on purpose; if we know, RMT knows, and can use that info to refine their methods) methods SE is taking to curb RMT, not that they are ignoring the problem (which they clearly aren't, unless you're paranoid enough to suggest that these notices are pure fiction intended to placate the gullible masses). And, to be fair, since the /tell spam is bad and getting worse these folks have a right to be displeased. Many have even submitted suggestions to "fix" the problem, some of which sound sensible to me, some of which sound outright stupid. But even in the case of the sensible-sounding ones, I know I'm no expert; I don't know how they'd affect the game long-term, or how they'd affect the profitability of the game.

Striking a balance between pleasing the players and making a profit is an important thing for a business, after all, and it's just as foolish to assume that a company should be obligated to cater to any customer's whim (customers in general don't fully understand what it takes to run a big business), as it is to assume that a company will coldly take any action that looks even vaguely profitable no matter who it hurts (happy customers are a SIGNIFICANT source of profit).

Do understand, though, that simply because SE doesn't march into the forums to respond at length to every proposed "This will fix RMT for realz!" thread doesn't mean that they're in bed with RMT and allowing them to run rampant on purpose.

wonder how much rmt would slow if they require you to get to level 5 to trade, make friends and other basic features.

I don't think that would slow them down at all. I think it takes about fifteen minutes to reach level 5 once you get past the inital unskippable cutscenes? I'm sure RMT could create bots that fully automate that and, in fact, probably already do

[Yukiba]

I don't see your reason for trying to invalidate what I posted, are you rmt?

Really? Just because my experience is different from yours I am trying to invalidate your experience? Then you compare me to an RMT? Why so hostile? Again I play daily and I dont experience any of what your talking about. Other than the rmt tell I get once an hour and the obvious bots at the crystal in ul'dah. But if you want me to be honest yes, your claims seem exaggerated. As for how many 50s you have my name.. search and find out I have all DOW/DoM lvl 50.. Can rmt can profit from me, it is an obvious no. I never respond I never buy gil so of course they don't hammer me with tells... I could easily be like you and reverse what you have said back onto you. Do you buy gil? Maybe they have your name so they blast you with tells because you bought from them before.. Do I agree with RMT? Of course not. It ruins the game. But I wont exaggerate it to make a point. I never see /shouts ever not even once besides the very beginning in 2.0

[Noshpan]

If you want the gil spam to stop, tell the assholes on your server that's buying the gil to stop. It's their fault that you're getting spammed with RMT tells. The team dealing with the RMT & bots are only human. It's not a massive team like what Blizzard has for WoW (& even they still have gold spam in tells & chat). The team has to investigate each report to make sure the report is legit and not some entitled twat reporting someone just because.

[nbiscuitz]

The only current solution to RMT is play on PC with *cough* and filters enabled.

[Aerowaffle]

Well, to be honest, if anyone thinks SE is IGNORING the problem, they haven't been paying attention at all. SE regularly churns out reports of RMT accounts banned and so on and so forth. Just look on the main Lodestone page under "Notices". See all the entries entitled "Actions Taken Against In-Game RMT". There's more than a dozen in the past couple months alone!

Oh I don't doubt that SE is doing something, but they're still greatly ignoring the problem considering the current presence of RMT on many servers.

And I was curious about the numbers that SE was spitting out. Was this number of bans for the NA servers? All servers? If you look in all the other general threads for the other languages, they have the same data, in exactly the same numbers. So that number of banned accounts is actually spread much thinner then just the NA servers. It's across all servers.

I find it very hard to believe that SE is doing all that they reasonably can to deal with the RMT. When a simple in-game GM watching for bot behavior wouldn't leave these farming bots alone for weeks at a time.

[Hexy]

I just want the tells to go away. I get one at least every 10 minutes here on Gilgamesh :/

[Mythre]

Updated Top post to simplify meaning.

[tocsin]

wonder how much rmt would slow if they require you to get to level 5 to trade, make friends and other basic features.

This could be more effective by putting lvl 1 players in an instanced tutorial area to "learn the game"... that is a little bit different for each character, as far as layout goes, so that it is harder to just path to the next quest.

[Mythre]

Earlier were posts saying limiting the market, capping sale prices etc.., or making the sale price of items [to] NPCs would screw the economy because it would be like printing money.


lol

Printing money would be the same as giving gil away for nothing.

You still have to farm the item, run the dungeon, and spend hours upon days to even get something worthwhile or break a mil. Even fleece at a NPC sell price of 50g would still take 202 stacks of 99 NQ to break a Mil.

Time to Money.

[Lemuria]

Supply and demand works when the system works.
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Free markets exist on a level playing field. This is NOT level.

Welcome to the real world. Economy works exactly like this. People can sell their items at a fraction of what it's worth to stores, or put it up on Ebay and hope someone else buys it at a reasonable price. It's called supply and demand for a reason, and it's how everything works in the financial world. There is no level playing field because not everyone is contributing to the circulation of these goods in equal number.

If everyone was gathering and crafting, there would be no market for this stuff anyway, so someone somewhere is taking the easier route of paying for it rather than trying to make their own. Doesn't matter if it's materia or items, the same rule applies for both.