STOP the Gil Selling Tells PLEASE!

[AreeyaJaidee]

Randomly accusing me of RMT isn't out of line?

I support RMT countermeasures. That's not what the OP asked for. He asked for SE to limit price changes on the market. (Hint: that won't put a dent in RMT)

Randomly? Reread Wtf you wrote. Nothing random about it: it straight up reads as QQ cynicism. Why get butt hurt when someone reacts with cynicism? I'm not butt hurt and I don't care either that 3 ppl wasted their time arguing me. It's comical really.

I'm not opposed to ppl making Gil. My wife has no job and makes millions a day in-game because that's her hobby. I understand ppl want and like to make Gil.

What I don't agree with is companies flooding the game with abnormal quantities of items/currency.

[Haibel]

What I don't agree with is companies flooding the game with abnormal quantities of items/currency.

Here's the thing about this, Nobody said anybody is not against doing something about RMT. We are just saying that the OP's idea is Darwin award caliber stupid.
Then you jump in defending the OP without thinking about his idea being the complete opposite of what I'm quoting you on right now. Just because he want's to do something about it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. That's the problem.

[Risvertasashi]

We are just saying that the OP's idea is Darwin award caliber stupid.

That, and also... reading between the lines... What the OP is really saying is, "SE, protect my source of income."

We see this a lot in the market subforum. Yet another crafter, someone else (Must be RMT, of course) started selling "his" stuff for less and now he wants SE to limit the market by putting a floor in it.

My attitude, bluntly: In a free market, no one is entitled to a profit. If the market's too hot for you, perhaps you need to find a new one. There are crafters that understand this, and are maxed out at 999,999,999 gil. (If you get to this point, move money to a retainer to get around the limit).

This isn't really an RMT thread at all. The OP is just riding the coattails of RMT spam to get visibility, because RMT & RMT spam is a real problem is this game and one many people care about right now. Myself included.

[Ashkendor]

My attitude, bluntly: In a free market, no one is entitled to a profit. If the market's too hot for you, perhaps you need to find a new one. There are crafters that understand this, and are maxed out at 999,999,999 gil. (If you get to this point, move money to a retainer to get around the limit).

Right? I've been spiritbonding a lot while I farm Nexus and Zeta light (T4 is awesome for sb'ing i70 stuff, what can I say?). The materia fluctuate from day to day but as long as I make back more than I put into the set, I'm content.

This isn't really an RMT thread at all. The OP is just riding the coattails of RMT spam to get visibility, because RMT & RMT spam is a real problem is this game and one many people care about right now. Myself included.

Exactly. None of us want RMT in our game, but killing the free market isn't the way to get rid of them.

You do realize a)the market is what makes RMT possible
b) RMT has a devastatingly detrimental effect on player markets and overall game economy.

Yes?

But to be honest, SE exerting control over a player ran economy will not thwart RMTs efforts in any way. They will just find a way around them as they always do.

That's... kind of... exactly his point... >.>

[Risvertasashi]

Well. I will continue to criticize people that lack even a basic understanding of economic principles and make economy-breaking suggestions. I guess I must be RMT! Nothing random about it indeed.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Some of us do care about the economics, though. Destroying the free market in order to combat RMT is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I get that you don't agree with what's being said, but you render your own arguments moot when you accuse people that don't agree with you of either 1) being associated with RMT or 2) profiting somehow from it. It doesn't make people more likely to listen to you when you attempt to discredit people that way.

Don't agree? I just played the guy at his own game. You're assuming I didn't read OP by assuming what I was referencing in my initial post. I'm not here talking about changing the market. I'm just chiming in that RMT is wrong and I agree action needs to be taken.

Once again. I replied in the way I did for the same reason homeboy decided to post a smartelic comment. What did I miss the VIP sign up for being able to retort cynicism with cynicism? Lol you can't censor me xD

[AreeyaJaidee]

Someone made a good point earlier. The RMT can easily be handled at the social lvl first without having to implement restrictions/redesigns to trading/makrkets.

Maybe even enforce more low lvl character restrictions like some other mmos have.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Here's the thing about this, Nobody said anybody is not against doing something about RMT. We are just saying that the OP's idea is Darwin award caliber stupid.
Then you jump in defending the OP without thinking about his idea being the complete opposite of what I'm quoting you on right now. Just because he want's to do something about it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. That's the problem.

That would require that I was defending the OP. Which I wasn't. I was defending the stance against RMT spamming /tells and shouts. I'm on topic even if the OP isn't xD

Grounds getting shaky under your feet yo.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Well market controls won't work. It's going to take social engineering.

The issue isn't what or how RMT are selling, it's the advertising in game that multiples the effects of their trade.

[Gramul]

I don't care much about the value shift in product, but the tells are really starting to get on my nerves.