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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    Would be weird having that 8 wards ... for the 1% that were lucky enough to acquire enough cash to buy a house before it ran out.

    Joined recently? Tough luck.
    So all the houses in them should be destroyed with no recompense towards the players who do have houses already? Or simply convert all existing houses to instances and tell the people who wanted houses next to each other that sorry, but majority rules? That's called Communism, and it's far past where I draw the line.

    I've already said all I can. You guys have fun refusing to give ground to each others ideas.
    Now where's that Unsubscribe button...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    So all the houses in them should be destroyed with no recompense towards the players who do have houses already? Or simply convert all existing houses to instances and tell the people who wanted houses next to each other that sorry, but majority rules? That's called Communism, and it's far past where I draw the line.

    I've already said all I can. You guys have fun refusing to give ground to each others ideas.
    Now where's that Unsubscribe button...
    Not Communism. Dictatorship. Yes, in case you haven't notice, you can play the game only because SE allows you to. They can refuse to provide you service anytime they want, for whatever reason.

    The reality is, at least it appears that way, neighborhoods scale very poorly and SE has great difficulty increasing the number of them.

    So either,

    a) they buy new servers costing millions (something they have stated in the LIVE letter as a last resort) or
    b) instance it all and use the neighborhoods for something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    Well, instance housing worked just fine in FFXI from what I heard.

    Also I don't think it's a storage space issue. FFXI is nearly 10 years old, it's from the era where PCs had 64MiB of RAM and 1GiB hard drives. We have 8GiB of RAM now and multi-TiB hard drives. Technology has improved a ton.
    In FFXI the mog house was a room very similar to free company rooms. Its pretty much the same thing we already have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    Not Communism. Dictatorship. Yes, in case you haven't notice, you can play the game only because SE allows you to. They can refuse to provide you service anytime they want, for whatever reason.

    The reality is, at least it appears that way, neighborhoods scale very poorly and SE has great difficulty increasing the number of them.

    So either,

    a) they buy new servers costing millions (something they have stated in the LIVE letter as a last resort) or
    b) instance it all and use the neighborhoods for something else.
    Reality? you're obviously ignorant and i have been wasting my time trying to explain to you why removing neighborhoods will do nothing, after all, you'll never listen, because you only want to have your house right now, no matter what, or who have to suffer because of it.

    Keep using your populism without a bit of knowledge of game development and server infrastructure, you will be only wasting your words, and the time of those who read and agree with you, because you have no idea, just opinion, and a wrong one, the server upgrade is coming, because it's needed at this point, and the problem will be fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    In FFXI the mog house was a room very similar to free company rooms. Its pretty much the same thing we already have.
    Can't place outdoor furnishings though. And you need an FC ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Renik View Post
    Reality? you're obviously ignorant and i have been wasting my time trying to explain to you why removing neighborhoods will do nothing, after all, you'll never listen, because you only want to have your house right now, no matter what, or who have to suffer because of it.

    Keep using your populism without a bit of knowledge of game development and server infrastructure, you will be only wasting your words, and the time of those who read and agree with you, because you have no idea, just opinion, and a wrong one, the server upgrade is coming, because it's needed at this point, and the problem will be fixed.
    I'm sorry, I don't find your arguments persuasive. You blabber on and on with zero backing to your statements - your references to the LIVE letters don't check out either.

    And, a neighborhood have a number of items, this number is static with minimal variation, it could take the memory of various houses, but being static means it has to be saved only once per server (i assume, i could even be saved in just one server) the removal of neighborhood can free up memory, but it's not enough to cover even the number of houses an actual subdivision have.
    What the heck does this even mean?

    "Saved once per server"? The wards are probably hosted on their own servers and there is only one copy of a ward. What the heck are you blabbering about?

    Edit:

    Based on the LIVE letter you referred me to,

    A: Kasuga: At the moment all I can say is that we are looking into it, but we're at the point where Yoshida will make a judgment call.

    Yoshida: First, we'll be adding land in patch 2.38, and it will then be possible to purchase personal housing, but the issue of how many plots to add will be under discussion until right up to the last minute. Just the other night we had a meeting which included Kasuga about even more additional plots and what kind of plans they have in order to accommodate them. At the same time we've been looking into whether we can increase the number of plots by juggling our graphic resources. Currently, we're working out all the parameters and then we'll be deciding how to do it and at what time based on the results.

    Kasuga: The quick answer as to why it's not so simple to add more land is because of the infrastructure. Compared to our initial plans for infrastructure, the current demand for land has far exceeded what was predicted, and in the event that we decide to go forward with the current infrastructure, we would have no choice but to address the issue with software. And if we were to rely on a software solution, it would be difficult to secure the time required to test everything out, further delaying the release of new land.

    Yoshida: Of the ideas we have at the moment, we are trying to make the final decision as to which solution is the quickest and would allow for the most land, as well considering the amount of time and resources it will take. Of course there have been those who have suggested spending millions to enhance the servers, but this would be the last resort for our engineers. We're currently looking into exactly how much we can increase the amount of land with our current resources and we'll be doing this right up to the last minute. If it appears that all other avenues have been exhausted, then I'll make the call to beef up the servers. At the very least, we will be increasing land in patch 2.38 and you'll also be able to start purchasing private housing.
    It would appear wards are limiting the number of plot at least graphically, i.e. too many plot will kill the framerate; too many things to rendered.

    That's what I took from it anyway. What other reasons are there to "juggle graphic resources"?
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