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[KisaiTenshi]

<Situational Awareness means more than staring at the party list's health bars.>

So I had a WoD run where one of the alliances kicked their SCH healer after a Wipe. I can only guess why. I'm in Alliance B in this one.

We also kicked the rude DPS from our party, which was also the one who kept having to be revived.

And the reason I censor out names/alliance names is so I'm not accusing people who might be in the same data center as me of being slackers, because I don't know the entire story. For the sake of arguments on the forums, the names are not important.

This is the very thing I'm talking about when it comes to carries and Healers doing ineffective amount of damage. In the 24-person raid, there's so little opportunity to DPS as a healer, that you may as well not bother so you don't get chewed out when one of the DPS players or Tanks dies.

There was a earlier Mainstream storyline run where the other healer (a SCH) entered in Cleric stance mode and didn't exit CS until I said something. They were doing all their heals with Cleric stance on up to that point. After that, they probably could have solo healed the entire party, but the first set of mobs... two characters die including one of the tanks. Now would it have happened had they been paying attention? I don't know but they were being entirely cheeky about it. This is not the first time a mainstream run through Castrum where I've reminded the other healer to turn cleric stance off during healing after waiting to see if they notice themselves.

My experiences are indeed closer to "worst case" scenarios, because I've been playing exclusively with PUG groups. That's how you tell the difference between bad players and good players. Bad players can't figure out how to make lemonade from lemons, so they keep buying premade lemonade. Average and Good players can play with whatever they are given and shouldn't have to get into arguments over who isn't pulling their weight.

That's what the entire "should I dps as a healer?" argument comes back to.

Quite honestly the amount of elistist snobbery that comes out of the people who farm Coil is enough to just write off that content without a static group of players who actually want to play it for fun.

[Ramien]

This is the very thing I'm talking about when it comes to carries and Healers doing ineffective amount of damage. In the 24-person raid, there's so little opportunity to DPS as a healer, that you may as well not bother so you don't get chewed out when one of the DPS players or Tanks dies.

I'm not sure what 24-person raids you've been doing, but unless things are falling apart, there's almost always time and opportunity to DPS in most of the battles in Crystal tower as a whole, unless things are really falling apart. If your tank is MTing the boss, there's a bit less time, but from a scholar's perspective, there's almost always time to get some cleric stance-buffed dots tossed on after the first Adlo while you wait and see which party members are going to be the ones to stand in ALL the AoEs this time. This is all from DF groups, same as yours if not the exact same groups.

[Byonka]

It's CT. (My fav content <3 all 3) I have every fight macroed and use realtime reminders. Heals do not cover someone ignoring/ignorant to mechanics. The hydra fight you referenced - most players don't know Stack with Purple icon, Run away with gold Icon. They don't know:stand in poison to stop spawns or to pass the tethers. Most WHMs don't know that a fresh SS allows players to dodge Heatwave. (dependant on HP/weakens) Many players get cleaved because they don't know how large the hydra's reach is. Lots of adds to help kill, when he casts discordance - HOLY BOMBSSSSS!


"should I dps as a healer?"

YES! Even if one can't manage cleric stance as of yet - get use to your dps skills! I had to spend a lot of time in low level dungeons getting use to the timing on Cleric Stance and it was the best thing I could have done for my game play.

Another good thing was downloading Advanced Combat Tracker.

Top DPS are both healers and in the same party.

[Spoekes]

So I had a WoD run where one of the alliances kicked their SCH healer after a Wipe. I can only guess why. I'm in Alliance B in this one.

maybe the SCH just left after the wipe like so many ppl do?

This is the very thing I'm talking about when it comes to carries and Healers doing ineffective amount of damage. In the 24-person raid, there's so little opportunity to DPS as a healer, that you may as well not bother so you don't get chewed out when one of the DPS players or Tanks dies.

Are you serious?
In every tower you have so much occasions to DPS and be very effective, I must presume you are just inexperienced.

There was a earlier Mainstream storyline run where the other healer (a SCH) entered in Cleric stance mode and didn't exit CS until I said something. They were doing all their heals with Cleric stance on up to that point. After that, they probably could have solo healed the entire party, but the first set of mobs... two characters die including one of the tanks. Now would it have happened had they been paying attention? I don't know but they were being entirely cheeky about it. This is not the first time a mainstream run through Castrum where I've reminded the other healer to turn cleric stance off during healing after waiting to see if they notice themselves.

This is an anecdote about a bad player. So what? You don't heal in CS, everyone on this thread knows that and its not to debate, it's not even on topic.

My experiences are indeed closer to "worst case" scenarios, because I've been playing exclusively with PUG groups. That's how you tell the difference between bad players and good players. Bad players can't figure out how to make lemonade from lemons, so they keep buying premade lemonade. Average and Good players can play with whatever they are given and shouldn't have to get into arguments over who isn't pulling their weight.

That's what the entire "should I dps as a healer?" argument comes back to.

Quite honestly the amount of elistist snobbery that comes out of the people who farm Coil is enough to just write off that content without a static group of players who actually want to play it for fun.

How did we end up here from the topic of healer dps? It's not an elitist thing. Uh boy...