Specialist System in 3.0

[Sibyll]

I was saying the current system doesn't reward someone having 8 crafters.

Cross class abilities. Having all 8 crafters is a necessity to do anything passed 1* on a single crafter.

[StouterTaru]

Cross class abilities. Having all 8 crafters is a necessity to do anything passed 1* on a single crafter.

She meant 8 different characters that craft. Even with desynthesis there's no need to have more than one max melded currently. You can do Ixali easily in unmelded 2.0 gear.

[Orangard]

Unless of course you wanted an easy path to more oaknots, to get sealants, for you main character, to create more gear for less to control the MB.
But to that, I do say, more power to them.

And honestly, if people want to spend their day jumping alts to 'control' the mb... good for them.
I'll still craft my stuff. Post it, and gain.

They can buy it all out or sell a lot at a low price to..... remove profit from anyone... for a time.
I'll buy that cheap stuff, and wait till they have expended their desire to bottom a market, and then I'll sell it again. At a Higher price.

In the end, it is just a game.
And for some, its not the game, but the game within the game that they decided is important to them. IE, being an MB Baron/ess. To cater to those people is the wrong direction to take a game.

The only business models that survive catering to the 1% are because those 1% supply more income than the other 99%.
This game is not that business model.

[Aeyis]

And honestly, if people want to spend their day jumping alts to 'control' the mb... good for them.
I'll still craft my stuff. Post it, and gain.

Post it, and be unable to sell it; because you will get undercut by someone that has a larger stock then you. Someone that can afford to take longer and sell for lower, because they are active in different markets at once; and do not rely on profit from that single market you are posting in.

They can buy it all out or sell a lot at a low price to..... remove profit from anyone... for a time.
I'll buy that cheap stuff, and wait till they have expended their desire to bottom a market, and then I'll sell it again. At a Higher price.

Do you honestly think you can win a trade-war against someone that went to the effort of leveling multiple characters to 60?

In the end, it is just a game.
And for some, its not the game, but the game within the game that they decided is important to them. IE, being an MB Baron/ess. To cater to those people is the wrong direction to take a game.

Just because it's a game doesn't mean there aren't things one might want to obtain; such as a house or vanity items; or better equipment.
Gil can obtain those. And to get gil you need to play the game. Use the marketboard for more then just ''oh, but I don't want to trow this away''

''it's a game'' is just a fallacy used for those without tangible arguments.

The MB has no bearing...
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..Not being the biggest MB person and not being able to craft are 2 different things.

If you have a point in there, one that is even remotely relevant to this discussion, I ask for clarification.

[Orangard]

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There seem to be a few guiding principles to the argument against this specialization.
1) No more Omni crafting (can't have everything available at the click of a button on demand)
2) Due to 1), the rat race as it were. Cannot compete on the same level with those who have alts + more time due to restrictions.

I understand both TBH. I just so happens that the most vocal about 2) are brought about in a sense that if They cannot perform to their own set standard, No one should perform.
"Roll alts and level crafting or stop crafting"
"someone will roll alts and do stuff I can't do right now. That is unfair."
which does not apply to crafting itself, but what can or cannot be done on the marketboard (crafting is just the tool for that competition, think if raiding provided the best source of MB income). Why? Because it is not the crafting that is important. It is the Ends that are important to those arguments.

Now do tell, why I should I wage a trade war with someone? I haven't needed to, nor will I, because again, (and I presume for most) dominating the MB is not my game.

Though here is a hint, I can still make profit off other's trade wars. As I said.
If they want to sell stuff at cost or less, I can buy it, and wait till they are done and sell it for higher.


And just so you know, "its' just a game" was not used as an argument. It was used as a reminder.

[Gillionaire]

Now do tell, why I should I wage a trade war with someone? I haven't needed to, nor will I, because again, (and I presume for most) dominating the MB is not my game.

Though here is a hint, I can still make profit off other's trade wars. As I said.
If they want to sell stuff at cost or less, I can buy it, and wait till they are done and sell it for higher.

That's actually a very dangerous trap.. I've driven a few people out of market for doing exactly that.
When I sell about 50% above cost, they would try to buy out, and hike the price.. but the problem is.. To a very hardcore crafter like myself.. I craft about 10+ hrs a day because my work affords me the option to just click a macro every minute.. and yet I can't really do much else since I'm working.. so I'm sorta forced to craft and chat.. I can actually handle the entire server's demand.. Maybe 80% on weekends. In fact, because of continuing competition, price will eventually drop down to the point you bought the items at anyway.. So if you want to resell things, it has to be done FAST.. Especially right after an expansion.


So if you try to buy me out, I'll keep feeding you overstock and while my price point remains the same, your price point will get bloated.. Unless you wise up and sell at a loss to get rid of your overstock, you're never gonna get out of the market..

and that's how most people maintain their grip on MB..

While all this is happening, if you happen to be locked into a specific market because of specialization.. It'll be very difficult for you..

[Thrustie]

That's actually a very dangerous trap.. I've driven a few people out of market for doing exactly that.
When I sell about 50% above cost, they would try to buy out, and hike the price.. but the problem is.. To a very hardcore crafter like myself.. I craft about 10+ hrs a day because my work affords me the option to just click a macro every minute.. and yet I can't really do much else since I'm working.. so I'm sorta forced to craft and chat.. I can actually handle the entire server's demand.. Maybe 80% on weekends. In fact, because of continuing competition, price will eventually drop down to the point you bought the items at anyway.. So if you want to resell things, it has to be done FAST.. Especially right after an expansion.


So if you try to buy me out, I'll keep feeding you overstock and while my price point remains the same, your price point will get bloated.. Unless you wise up and sell at a loss to get rid of your overstock, you're never gonna get out of the market..

and that's how most people maintain their grip on MB..

While all this is happening, if you happen to be locked into a specific market because of specialization.. It'll be very difficult for you..

See to me you kinda reinforce what SE is trying to accomplish. Market board Moguls like you already control the market today. I've competed with guys like you and it's not very fun. I'm specialized in LTW/WVR and while I enjoy the MB, I don't really love camping out at the summoning bell. I still make a tidy profit by undercutting at an opportune time like when the moguls are taking a dump or maybe a 30 minute power nap. Or when a customer is actually shockingly astute enough to recognize that my Kirikimu Brais in the city they're currently in is actually cheaper than buying the pair listed 100 Gil cheaper in a different city.

With specializations, what changes? Well maybe a few moguls are deterred and either hang it up or focus one or two markets. And maybe a few moguls level 7 alts and do what they did before. What changes for me? I gear a couple specializations and do what I did before. But MAYBE there's a few less moguls undercutting my stuff. And for the ones who are still around, maybe it buys me some extra time to make a couple sales while they're pooping, power napping AND jumping alts and checking retainers!

[Sibyll]

She meant 8 different characters that craft. Even with desynthesis there's no need to have more than one max melded currently. You can do Ixali easily in unmelded 2.0 gear.

You still need to level 8 classes from 1-50. Ixali also are daily limited. So once again, imagine how idiotic it would be if you were required to level all the DoW/DoM classes just so you could raid on your main class. Regardless of how easily or trivial you believe it to be to cap DoH classes, the concept that you are required to level all of them to excel at one of them is asinine.