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  1. #1561
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    raela's Avatar
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    Raela Sarinelle
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Get into castrum, spirit bonding i49 gear on scholar. There's a new person bonus (whm and two dps), no blm. I watch in horror and amazement as the whm precasts medica 2 just as the tank runs off, of course to do a fairly complete first pull.. Then watch as the red aggro lines keep flowing back to the whm. It was both beautiful and terrible.

    I somehow kept the whm up (yay for lustrate) and no one died, even though it took way too long to clear that mob. I mentioned to the whm to maybe avoid medica 2/regen on pull for the rest of the run and she agreed with me.. Heh.
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  2. #1562
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    Noxifer's Avatar
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    C'alih Tia
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rydiah View Post
    I get an, "Ew" from the tank and a disagree emote from the archer, who then casts Protect. So really, saying anything was a waste of time.
    ...and if the archer could cast Protect, why didn't they just do so when they noticed it wasn't coming from you in the first few seconds? O.o Without arguing? Grats on the card though =D

    (I'd probably just have said "sorry, don't have access to it right now; anyone else have it?" but that's me. I also tend to do low roulette when levelling as the class (only have archer and lancer left now o.o), just so I can cast protect if I end up with a scholar in one of the first couple of dungeons, before you can have two crossclass skills.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Selli View Post
    It's a 5 second mechanic where everyone is supposed to stand still.
    Oh yeah, I really dislike those 'don't move/attack during this' effects. Or those periods of 'boss reflects all damage right now'. Not for the effect, but because there's always that dps who kills themself by continuing to attack -_- Honestly, those people in ST who go back to attacking Glossy Lalaboys right after their mechabot is down but the other two are still up... (Not that said boss ever seems to get to that part these days, but... XD)


    Quote Originally Posted by raela View Post
    I mentioned to the whm to maybe avoid medica 2/regen on pull for the rest of the run and she agreed with me.. Heh.
    Well, at least she agreed with you ^^; I've been in dungeons where the healer kept casting regen or medica 2, and when I pointed out that it's not the smartest move, since that'll draw insta-aggro, they've gone "what? why? D:" *headdesk* And I've had to explain that healing draws aggro just the same as damage does, except on ALL mobs involved in combat.
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    Last edited by Noxifer; 03-13-2015 at 11:56 PM.

  3. #1563
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    Ignnis's Avatar
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    Ignis Inferne
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Spoekes View Post
    Yeah this works, but in Rydiah situation the tank started a speed run pull, so the 30 sec. book slapping may or may not have become a problem then xD
    Yeah the cross class swap was what I was thinking of. If they decide to charge off that's tgeir decision and they must live with the consequences xD no I've never used SCH, I tried to SMN on ps4, could barly control the pet efficiently, decided for the good of mankind that I just stick to WHM healing :P
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  4. #1564
    Player Selli's Avatar
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    Selli Noblesse
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
    Oh yeah, I really dislike those 'don't move/attack during this' effects. Or those periods of 'boss reflects all damage right now'. Not for the effect, but because there's always that dps who kills themself by continuing to attack -_- Honestly, those people in ST who go back to attacking Glossy Lalaboys right after their mechabot is down but the other two are still up... (Not that said boss ever seems to get to that part these days, but... XD)
    Yeah. But all the CTs have an aspect where DPS actually need to watch their DPS (Bone Dragon, Glasya [when robos spawn], and Five Headed Dragon). To be fair, DPS should KNOW how to hold their DPS and not rely on their healers to carry them through everything, its a bad habit and it'll be the death of them if they ever attempt the later Coils.
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  5. #1565
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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    Twintania
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Selli View Post
    Not really. It's a 5 second mechanic where everyone is supposed to stand still. Would it be the WHM's fault if they had died to Blighted pre-nerf in t6? No. Of course not. It's the job of everyone in the party to avoid the mechanic. And spending 2,128 MP to avoid a 5 second move is kind of irrational, not to mention that time could be spent DPSing or healing the MT or something. A Medica II (or 2 if you have 2 WHMS) and a SCH's succor is more than enough to mitigate it.
    5 seconds of nobody doing any DPS. That's a lot of damage that doesn't get thrown out much more than i can pump out on the boss in that amount of time. Doing DPS apart from adds is kind of pointless. Some classes have a skill they can use to avoid the debuff but they are too dumb to throw it out half the time. If the MT needs more healing than some regens thrown on them for that boss they are probably doing it wrong. If you have problems using 2k MP out of 5k or more at that level then you are probably doing it wrong. I'm hardly starving for mana so I'll buy my party more DPS time throw on SoS and gain most of my MP back. Anything else just feels like a lazy heal bot who just wants to afk half the fight because they have nothing to do. This is why i think a lot of Healers in WoD are a joke they just stand around picking their nose until they can spam heals. Lazy.
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    Last edited by MXMoondoggie; 03-14-2015 at 04:15 AM.

  6. #1566
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    Ramien's Avatar
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    Morrigan Mieaux
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    This is one I've been seeing more often lately, but this was a particularly egregious example. Amdapour keep HM, first boss. Not a single person hides behind the statues to avoid the damage/debuff LoS attack. I do what I can with Adlo and stoneskin to try and keep them alive, but once there's six stacks I can't keep up. End of the fight, everyone but me has the little 'just raised' debuff, all the statues are still pristine. Survivable, barely, but still so frustrating.
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  7. #1567
    Player Selli's Avatar
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    Selli Noblesse
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    If you have problems using 2k MP out of 5k or more at that level then you are probably doing it wrong.
    A bit snippy, aren't we?

    My point still stands. There is no point in wasting 2,128 MP and 22.08 seconds when the whole thing can be handled by a skill that costs 452 MP and takes 2.76 seconds to cast. I was simply stating that it was not necessary for that much overkill. As for doing it wrong? I have yet to see anyone in any of my parties die to heatwave.

    I don't really understand your logic in being so elitist over WoD. Not everyone who plays WoD is someone who does t10-13 ever week, not everyone in WoD goes in on a class they main, and not everyone who goes into WoD has cleared it before. True, it is not a hard fight, but nothing in this game is hard once you're used to it. If they're not in your party, and the raid isn't wiping, then it shouldn't really effect you too much what they're doing, chill out.
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  8. #1568
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    Rydiah's Avatar
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    Sypha Belnades
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignnis View Post
    Personally, protect over cleric stance any day :/
    I'm the type that would rather heal than dps, but especially as a SCH...a lot of these low level dungeons are extremely boring and my fairy can heal all of it by herself...So I normally go CS instead of protect and help with dps. The healer in your story was a jerk, but I promise, I was nothing like that!

    Quote Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
    ...and if the archer could cast Protect, why didn't they just do so when they noticed it wasn't coming from you in the first few seconds? O.o Without arguing? Grats on the card though =D
    Exactly, and thanks!!! I probably could have switched to Protect, but by the time it would be ready, the tank would have already pulled to the Couerl boss (maybe not that far, but still) and they would have forgotten about it. I just feel like...Protect, no Protect...it wouldn't have made a difference...I can handle it either way, why make a big deal about it?

    I had just never seen anyone do a speed run of Sastasha normal. I guess its not that uncommon? Lol. Like I said, I just came back from a long break.
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  9. #1569
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    Mhiro's Avatar
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    Rei'mhi Nariya
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    Malboro
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    Sage Lv 90
    "Go do Urth's Fount again," they said.
    "It'll be fun," they said.
    "You won't have all three gungnirs dropped on top of you while you're busy quick-refreshing the tank's HP for bleed phase," they said.
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    Last edited by Mhiro; 03-16-2015 at 06:14 AM.

  10. #1570
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    myahele's Avatar
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    Tonrak Totorak
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    A WAR that's used full on STR accessories.... talk about being very squishy.

    Had just 50% hp when I was casting a cure 2 then promptly died in one attack. Was Stone Vigil HM 1st boss
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