The Summer Event - New Info 8/8

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Well, to put it into perspective, the vast majority have no problems with the bikinis. I've only seen 2 people complaining about it, desperately trying to justify their stance. It's kind of sad...

Most people these days see no harm, and like someone else said, it's far more harmful to teach children to be ashamed of their bodies.

Well, I actually looked back on this thread because I wanted to thank you for the conversation, feeling that maybe although we disagree, I learned something, and perhaps you about me. But I guess I was mistaken.

Looks like you've got a lot of reading to do before claiming 'facts'. Yes, you are stereotyping. Truth is, humans are wired to think sexually. Men in modern society are trained that it's acceptable to be open about it, and women in modern society are trained to tamp down "sexual thoughts", lest they be immoral and/or unladylike. This isn't wiring, it's generations of conditioning. Don't confuse the two.

If I could suggest just a single book for you to check out on this subject, look for
Sex at Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha.

Fact: I am not hard-wired to think sexualy. In fact, things went over my head for a very long time until a few people felt the need to "educate" me. Most, however, respected my innocence, and liked me all the more for it, I think. It's hard to say since they weren't telling me that directly.

Fact: My husband would never let me out of the house dressed like that. Not because he's controling, but because he knows exactly how men think. Many an honest man has confirmed the same thing. Yes, of course there are exceptions, on both sides.

As for scientists, nothing they have to say is going to trump common sense. I'm not an animal, and I'm not going to act like one. Throughout history, yes, the sexes have been very onesided, and that was wrong, but people often can't seem to find a balance in things, they always seem to go from one extreme to the other. To try to make men and women exactly the same... it's apples and oranges. You just can't. Women are emotional, men are factual/visual. Men are physically stronger. Yes, in general. The amount will vary from person to person.

Edit: After thinking about this a bit more, I think I understand some of the hang-up on this one. In my mind, stereotyping means making generalizations that have no basis in fact. I'm saying there is a basis in fact that men are more "physically" inclined than women. I'm not saying this is true for all cases.

What I find funny is, these people blame all the world's ills on sex and sexuality, but cannot provide one single study which backs up their position. Just blanket statements of "I find it wrong and shameful, therefore it is causing problems." Fact is, sexuality is as natural as breathing. It's a part of our very makeup. Denying sexuality is in it's entirety unnatural. There has never been any society that fell because people showed skin. Hell, look at many of the isolated tribes in the world whose societies haven't changed in hundreds, if not thousands of years; nudity of both sexes is common, their societies persisting, only threatened by outside forces.

Look at nudist colonies. You have adults and children all living quite nude. You don't see mass orgies or guys walking around with erections, and even sexual assaults are far rarer than in the outside world. Because it is all completely normal to those inside. Nudity is frankly banal when you are used to seeing it on a regular basis.

You want legitimate causes of problems in society? How about a lack of respect for education or the self, or any sense of personal responsibility? How about apathy, greed and solipsistic personalities, and others butting themselves into others lives while turning a blind eye on their own?

Nudist colonies are not about sexuality. I suppose you didn't read my other post in which I stated that naked does not equal sexual. The problems that open sexual attitudes cause is in the family, and yes, that does matter to me very much, because the family, and children that come from them, are our future.

A look at the divorce rate is the only proof needed to figure out something is wrong. Why are people divorcing so much? Obviously the foundation of their marriage was not strong. Why not? Many factors come into play, yes, but sexual "openess" of this manner, is one of them. If you didn't have the character to keep yourself before you got married, what makes you think you can all of a sudden be "good" afterwards?

On top of that, this also ties into the "individual" aspect that is being pushed in our society. Marriage is about a union, not individual needs. Yes, you need some of the things you want and need, but overall, you are not your own person in a marraige. Not if you want it to work. Your spouse comes first, and vice-versa. Yes, if they care about you, they will listen to the things you need, and again vice-versa, but as my husband puts it, marriage is 90% compromise.

Even sexism comes into play as well, because although it is fine and dandy if a woman wants to have a career, her spouse comes first, just as she to him. Things such as careers and money should be discussed before marriage. And if children come (some do decide against children) the children come first, not careers. I've heard of some families where the father stays home with the kids, and that is fine as long as it works for them.

As for your last comment, such attitudes start at home. Rebellious children raising children will have children who have no understanding of what it means to be a responsible adult.

I wan wut u drankin yo cuz this stuff is mad deep! Joking aside, everyone as always, are entitled to their opinion. I see the event as good fun and I dout this opinion will be favored by the majority. Sadly I gonna miss it because I don't have a PC to play anymore!

Understood. I don't expect it to be favored. I just thought I was having an adult conversation. My bad. :P Anyway, although I thought at first maybe I really was concerned about nothing, I suppose my original synopsis of the situation still stands. However, I think I have said my peace.