RMT countermeasure idea (Yes another one just hear me out)

[Radkat]

To be fair, buying gil would fall under "RMT/illicit activity". And I doubt many gil buyers would bother to post complaints about it on the forum, even to feign innocence.

I highly doubt those RMT/illicit activities include gilbuying. Sellers have no problem getting banned in NA/EU servers because they are able to make massive RL money in between bans. This is not the case for buyers. They get banned, they are finished, they will not be returning customers. The fact that RMT flourishes so well right now implies people have no issues with buying at all. Compare this to JP servers that have no RMT spam. I'm sure they still exist, but they cannot afford to lose accounts to ad spams, just because JP generally aren't noob enough to buy gil.

And yes they WILL complain here if they get banned. Just like shortly after launch when there was a big hoo-ha in this forum of people claiming they were banned simply because they had too much gil.

[Zephyranthes]

Bots pay monthly subscriptions too. SE just turns a blind eye on them. This is a fact they're not admitting.

Anybody with an IQ of 50 can figure out that those people in BLM AF gear standing around Uldah's Aetheryte are bots. Yet, SE does nothing.

[HeroSamson]

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Why do you talk like you are against the idea of muting GIL sellers?

Tell me a Loop hole in the this idea for me.

1.Free Company and Friends only Private messaging
2. Turning Off/On option for friend invites to party and Turn Off/On option for friend invites.

Remember we can choose to do this and tell me how RMT are going to get around that?

They cannot invite to friends or party with the option off unless I turn it on and they cannot send tells anymore with the option off and cannot invite themselves to the free company or your friends anymore so that would ruin them.
They might stick around for people who actually buy gil but at least we dont have to hear or put up with their crap.

Cause you keep saying it wont work tell me how it wont if I shut off my tells and use the private messaging only in my Free company and Friend list?

Only thing that would happen is basically shouts, please do so we can point out the high level shouters and get them banned.

[tocsin]

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That may create a large influx of botters using more normalized names, something that SE is trying to avoid, and sending applications to FC's to try to spam through fc chats.
loophole found.

honestly, the best way to eliminate them, is to ignore them. they are like trolls. all you are doing by posting on the forums about them are giving their general business more awareness, aka free advertising.

these threads HELP RMT, not hurt it.

[HeroSamson]

That may create a large influx of botters using more normalized names, something that SE is trying to avoid, and sending applications to FC's to try to spam through fc chats.
loophole found.

honestly, the best way to eliminate them, is to ignore them. they are like trolls. all you are doing by posting on the forums about them are giving their general business more awareness, aka free advertising.

these threads HELP RMT, not hurt it.

That is not a loop hole because you know that as soon as someone spams they are kicked.
Then would force them to invite to Link shell and there is no private messaging in that so if they spam they get kicked easy and then people will be more aware of who they are joining just like FFXI.

This thread is not helping, sometimes I believe some of you who are actually trying to stop threads like these have a hand in what we are against.
I find it very weird you would be against or try to stop or say this stuff promotes their actions.

Why would anyone be against stopping the RMT that fishy because I see no advertisements here about prices.

You say ignore though everytime they send a invite to you as a friend are you ignoring that? or are you hitting the cancel button? if you hit your black list are you ignoring them?
That isn't ignoring them at all soon as you hit cancel they know you are there meaning it wasn't ignored at all.

The thread is to find some way to mute them, you are not helping at all, you are basically going against everyone who says to add something to stop them, if you don't think it will work fine but that does not mean we still don't want these options.

About what you said at beginning there are already a large number of bots and what does that have to do with spamming and inviting us?

Also I ignored them since the very start but you can only take so much before its become a problem.
FFXI they filtered them out and they disappeared maybe not from area's but they couldnt talk to me and I set myself invisible so that they couldnt invite me I went through the game just fine without being bugged by them and them botting SE had to take care of it with goblins and actually forced RMT to level up and do something legit.

Then Rare/ex pushed them out of the game and I hardly seen rmt at all.

[Ksenia]

The only addition I'd like to see is a chat wipe when I blacklist. As gamers we train our brains to absorb information in the UI. Having their spam on the screen is in their benefit and I'd rather not grant them that.

[Shadray]

If SE wanted to stop RMT they could, simple face is they make money from it, why would they stop them?

I bet there's a guy employed just to monitor RMT and hit the ban button when it makes the most cash for SE. I.e. When the guill sellers have made enough that it makes it worth their while to buy the game again and re-sub.

[Radkat]

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Please think carefully about what you are saying! Take a minute to think logically will happen to the game when such an idea happens!
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Yup, that's right, it can potentially kill the game. When you are in a server with constant tell spams, why would anyone EVER leave the option to receive tells from non friends/fc on? No, everyone will turn that option off. And the legit new players won't be able to use tell with anyone. Using 'say' won't work very well either, because you need to stand in the same area to hold a conversation. You can't go anywhere throughout the whole 'say' conversation. And when people are on the move, which they usually are unless they are afk, 'say' will not work well at all. Furthermore, quite often people do want everyone to read their conversation, people around them do not want to see constant 'say' spams on their log. You can say, well they can invite them as friends for that 10 minute conversation then kick them off after. That is not only awkward, but quite troublesome as well. Most players are very fickle nowadays, and will just elect to ignore the poor newbie spamming for help in 'say'. And after the conversation ends, and the old player turns off tell or friendship with tthe newbie, the newbie won't be able to ask follow up questions later. All this will make new players feel very difficult and unwelcome and likely lose interest very quickly.
All these ideas, are only temporary fix with serious side effects to the legit players. If you are serious about the RMT issue, you need to deal with it at the root of the problem. And the root of the problem is the constant, profitable demand that is driving the sellers in huge numbers. And please tell me, why do you NOT want to solve the entire RMT issue, and is just interested in the tell spam issue? The ad spam is just a symptom of a larger disease called RMT. If you go to your doctor because of a fever due to an infection, do you want the doctor to treat the fever only, or the cause of the fever?

[HeroSamson]

I am sorry but I cannot take you serious due to the fact you are from Tonberry server and that is the JP server I hear that not much spam happens there.

So you have no clue what people are going through.

Go make a main on a bot infested, gil seller server and try to put up with it for a whole month and come back and say that again.
Nothing against you or anything but I have read comments before on here about some of the JP servers getting no spam at all.

[WrenDark]

Made a new character tonight to visit a friend on Zalera. Not even passed the 1st cutscene. Got 10 RMT tells. Yeah, its that bad. Nice way to show new potential players how RMT infested some worlds are SE.