Hurray! Finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

[Mugiawara]

Is there a reason you using the word ''fault'' tho? Because it is not anyones fault.
It is however your choice.

Wait I'm confused.
You just said in the other post it's 'Your fault' (choice)
Also see top page of 15 in my thoughts.
I chose Balmung because it has friendly people.
Not my fault that SE has horrible .
And we suggested instances, also why is FC/personal housing shared?
No one elses "fault" but SE's.

[Welsper59]

Wait I'm confused.
You just said in the other post it's 'Your fault' (choice)
Also see top page of 15 in my thoughts.
I chose Balmung because it has friendly people.
Not my fault that SE has horrible .
And we suggested instances, also why is FC/personal housing shared?
No one elses "fault" but SE's.

I think the point that other person was trying to make was that it is your choice to have gone with that, ignoring any potential consequences for doing so, regardless of how legit of a reason it may be (such as friends being there). Consumers ignoring the consequences of their actions really is a facepalm moment, regardless of any reason for doing it. It's like someone buying a fuel guzzling car, knowing full well it does that, then complaining to the manufacturer/dealership that the car is costing them too much money on gas. It's true that it does, but whose fault is it that you decided on it to begin with? lol That sort of thing.

[Ophie-Mio]

I think the point that other person was trying to make was that it is your choice to have gone with that, ignoring any potential consequences for doing so, regardless of how legit of a reason it may be (such as friends being there). Consumers ignoring the consequences of their actions really is a facepalm moment, regardless of any reason for doing it. It's like someone buying a fuel guzzling car, knowing full well it does that, then complaining to the manufacturer/dealership that the car is costing them too much money on gas. It's true that it does, but whose fault is it that you decided on it to begin with? lol That sort of thing.

Amen to this.

Ps. All servers have friendly people on it...not just Balmung though they are the most outspoken bunch on these forums due to their quantity.

[Mugiawara]

Amen to this.

Ps. All servers have friendly people on it...not just Balmung though they are the most outspoken bunch on these forums due to their quantity.

I've been on 3 dif servers and Balmung felt more home to me, that's why I'm here. I'm not going to up a leave a server that I love and the people in it.
I still can't wrap my mind as to "Well, you chose it knowing this and that..."
Actually, no, I didn't. I didn't know that housing was shared with FC housing too. Nor did I know it was going to be "Get there in 10 mins or you're screwed!"
Didn't know it'll be so much gil either to the VERY last minute. Then they assumed everyone on x server had millions of gil.
Very unfair to the soloist that tried to save up cash only for FC people
or a group to take it. They had many...many months to do this well and they screwed up. Simple as that.
Seems to me they forgot about it and went "Oh! Let's just open FC house to the masse!"
That's it.

Next time, take a looksee on how other MMO's do housing. We won't have this problem or at least listen to the feedback given.
They just did everything completely wrong here.

[MageBlack]

I think the point that other person was trying to make was that it is your choice to have gone with that, ignoring any potential consequences for doing so, regardless of how legit of a reason it may be (such as friends being there). Consumers ignoring the consequences of their actions really is a facepalm moment, regardless of any reason for doing it. It's like someone buying a fuel guzzling car, knowing full well it does that, then complaining to the manufacturer/dealership that the car is costing them too much money on gas. It's true that it does, but whose fault is it that you decided on it to begin with? lol That sort of thing.

I get what he is saying. But not all of us chose to go there or when we did choose, it wasnt the overpopulated place it has become. So, I was there when it was relatively uncrowded then it became over populated. Would that then make it my fault and the onus is on me to move somewhere less crowded?

The argument makes sense assuming it was busy and crowded when you chose to make a character there.

[Ophie-Mio]

The argument makes sense assuming it was busy and crowded when you chose to make a character there.

In your case, it doesn't make sense, however there are so many cases where that is the case. People move to Balmung or constantly complain to open it and then they come back and complain about something like housing.
With that being said, sorry that your server became a crowded monster.

[Welsper59]

I get what he is saying. But not all of us chose to go there or when we did choose, it wasnt the overpopulated place it has become. So, I was there when it was relatively uncrowded then it became over populated. Would that then make it my fault and the onus is on me to move somewhere less crowded?

The argument makes sense assuming it was busy and crowded when you chose to make a character there.

That's very true, but it still remains that the choice was yours to make originally (essentially saying that it was a bad choice under the given context). Just as you have no power over who joins the server, SE has no moral power as well. It's true that it's their decision to put in varying prices and other things for system controlled expenses, but that's their design goal to limit things such as what the rich can potentially do within reason in an economy that is typically easy to make a certain amount of reasonable gil for the server.

While you can point fingers at another, and are often justified to do so, it is also very bad ethics to ignore some degree of personal choice, consequence, and responsibility (where possible). In some cases, particularly if you started with ARR, one sign of heavy server load is legacy servers and popular names. Not always applicable, but it's a good starting point for determining consequence of joining a particular server (even if it's just as minimal as queue times to get in).

[MageBlack]

That's very true, but it still remains that the choice was yours to make originally (essentially saying that it was a bad choice under the given context). Just as you have no power over who joins the server, SE has no moral power as well. It's true that it's their decision to put in varying prices and other things for system controlled expenses, but that's their design goal to limit things such as what the rich can potentially do within reason in an economy that is typically easy to make a certain amount of reasonable gil for the server.

While you can point fingers at another, and are often justified to do so, it is also very bad ethics to ignore some degree of personal choice, consequence, and responsibility (where possible). In some cases, particularly if you started with ARR, one sign of heavy server load is legacy servers and popular names. Not always applicable, but it's a good starting point for determining consequence of joining a particular server (even if it's just as minimal as queue times to get in).

Ya, I came from 1.0 and was merged from my original server into Balmung. I think one of the main reasons that Balmung is so full and so popular is it is the unofficial RP server. When you google RP servers on FFXIV that server comes up. If SE were to have added a small little tag to one or two servers per data base that simply reads (RP) then there might be less overcrowding of Balmung. Design choices i guess. Personally, when I play MMO's like this i prefer to pick the least populated server, I dont like the highly populated ones.

All I'm trying to say is that to blame someone for this ignores so many other situations. Also if you were on a high populated server before the Housing details were released, how can you account for that? Well, this is the situation I'm in, I can accept that. As stated when I necroed this thread, I'm just hoping to put this back on the dev's team radar to consider going forward now that the dev team doing Golden Saucer is done introducing the content. A while back they said they wouldnt look at housing again until GS was complete because it was the same team doing both projects.

I'm not mad at not having a house, disappointed maybe but not mad and this is the only thing about this game I have every really seriously complained about. Other than that, i'm kinda one of those annoying white knights.

[Welsper59]

Ya, I came from 1.0 and was merged from my original server into Balmung. I think one of the main reasons that Balmung is so full and so popular is it is the unofficial RP server. When you google RP servers on FFXIV that server comes up. If SE were to have added a small little tag to one or two servers per data base that simply reads (RP) then there might be less overcrowding of Balmung. Design choices i guess. Personally, when I play MMO's like this i prefer to pick the least populated server, I dont like the highly populated ones.

All I'm trying to say is that to blame someone for this ignores so many other situations. Also if you were on a high populated server before the Housing details were released, how can you account for that? Well, this is the situation I'm in, I can accept that. As stated when I necroed this thread, I'm just hoping to put this back on the dev's team radar to consider going forward now that the dev team doing Golden Saucer is done introducing the content. A while back they said they wouldnt look at housing again until GS was complete because it was the same team doing both projects.

I'm not mad at not having a house, disappointed maybe but not mad and this is the only thing about this game I have every really seriously complained about. Other than that, i'm kinda one of those annoying white knights.

Yeah, I mean that's certainly a fair argument, and you're more than welcome to give it a shot at hoping the devs continue to look at the situation and change things as needed.

I am right there with you on preferential server being lower population. I used to be on Balmung during 1.0, and decided to just start anew with ARR on Leviathan. Mind you, I did choose Leviathan specifically because friends I know chose it, but if they stayed on Balmung, I still would have jumped ship lol. I understand how that limits me, but I weigh the consequences to my preferential benefit, and it works out for the best. I do that to avoid any potential problems which, even now, were bound to the fact that a lot of people = harder to get things before others.

As you mentioned, none of us knew about the housing scarcity, but it was still something that I understood could happen in general (the scarcity aspect of any content), and so I made the decision that I did. Again, be it with friends or not, I would have done it and understood what it meant to leave as well as what it meant if I stayed. That's essentially what I'm getting at about understanding and taking responsibility for your own personal decisions, regardless of any foreseeable future.