Hurray! Finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

[Quesse]

However it is, your ''own fault'' (choice) of being on a high population server.

Why do people keep saying this? Don't people realize that this is an MMO? People might actually have, you know, FRIENDS on the server they are on? That it costs real dollars to transfer your account(s) to another server? That none (essentially) of your gil transfers so you can't buy a house if you transfer? That 1.0 characters didn't have a choice where they were put and were even prevented from transferring for a long while? Its such a glib response to tell someone its their fault that they just haven't up and moved to another server as if its a click of the button with no repercussions.

[ExKage]

Why do people keep saying this? Don't people realize that this is an MMO? People might actually have, you know, FRIENDS on the server they are on? That it costs real dollars to transfer your account(s) to another server? That none (essentially) of your gil transfers so you can't buy a house if you transfer? That 1.0 characters didn't have a choice where they were put and were even prevented from transferring for a long while? Its such a glib response to tell someone its their fault that they just haven't up and moved to another server as if its a click of the button with no repercussions.

Seriously.

I'd also like these people to pay for the 100+ transfers I'd need to keep my FC and friends in Linkshells. Probably 300+ to keep their friends.

[Aeyis]

Why do people keep saying this? Don't people realize that this is an MMO? People might actually have, you know, FRIENDS on the server they are on? That it costs real dollars to transfer your account(s) to another server? That none (essentially) of your gil transfers so you can't buy a house if you transfer? That 1.0 characters didn't have a choice where they were put and were even prevented from transferring for a long while? Its such a glib response to tell someone its their fault that they just haven't up and moved to another server as if its a click of the button with no repercussions.

Because it is. ''it's your fault'' Were not the words I used. People don't have to move.
However it is a disadvantage of being on a more populated server.

In response to your question:

Why do people keep saying that this is not simply the (logical) result of being on a higher population server with the current system?

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Is there a reason you using the word ''fault'' tho? Because it is not anyones fault.
It is however your choice.

It is a disadvantage of being on a larger server.
You mention having a huge FC and many friends? Well good luck getting that on a smaller server..
Have you considered that you can boast about those numbers precisely because you are on a larger server with a higher population? And that precisely because there are so many FC members and friends, that there are less plots available?

[Mugiawara]

Is there a reason you using the word ''fault'' tho? Because it is not anyones fault.
It is however your choice.

Wait I'm confused.
You just said in the other post it's 'Your fault' (choice)
Also see top page of 15 in my thoughts.
I chose Balmung because it has friendly people.
Not my fault that SE has horrible .
And we suggested instances, also why is FC/personal housing shared?
No one elses "fault" but SE's.

[Welsper59]

Wait I'm confused.
You just said in the other post it's 'Your fault' (choice)
Also see top page of 15 in my thoughts.
I chose Balmung because it has friendly people.
Not my fault that SE has horrible .
And we suggested instances, also why is FC/personal housing shared?
No one elses "fault" but SE's.

I think the point that other person was trying to make was that it is your choice to have gone with that, ignoring any potential consequences for doing so, regardless of how legit of a reason it may be (such as friends being there). Consumers ignoring the consequences of their actions really is a facepalm moment, regardless of any reason for doing it. It's like someone buying a fuel guzzling car, knowing full well it does that, then complaining to the manufacturer/dealership that the car is costing them too much money on gas. It's true that it does, but whose fault is it that you decided on it to begin with? lol That sort of thing.

[Ophie-Mio]

I think the point that other person was trying to make was that it is your choice to have gone with that, ignoring any potential consequences for doing so, regardless of how legit of a reason it may be (such as friends being there). Consumers ignoring the consequences of their actions really is a facepalm moment, regardless of any reason for doing it. It's like someone buying a fuel guzzling car, knowing full well it does that, then complaining to the manufacturer/dealership that the car is costing them too much money on gas. It's true that it does, but whose fault is it that you decided on it to begin with? lol That sort of thing.

Amen to this.

Ps. All servers have friendly people on it...not just Balmung though they are the most outspoken bunch on these forums due to their quantity.

[Mugiawara]

Amen to this.

Ps. All servers have friendly people on it...not just Balmung though they are the most outspoken bunch on these forums due to their quantity.

I've been on 3 dif servers and Balmung felt more home to me, that's why I'm here. I'm not going to up a leave a server that I love and the people in it.
I still can't wrap my mind as to "Well, you chose it knowing this and that..."
Actually, no, I didn't. I didn't know that housing was shared with FC housing too. Nor did I know it was going to be "Get there in 10 mins or you're screwed!"
Didn't know it'll be so much gil either to the VERY last minute. Then they assumed everyone on x server had millions of gil.
Very unfair to the soloist that tried to save up cash only for FC people
or a group to take it. They had many...many months to do this well and they screwed up. Simple as that.
Seems to me they forgot about it and went "Oh! Let's just open FC house to the masse!"
That's it.

Next time, take a looksee on how other MMO's do housing. We won't have this problem or at least listen to the feedback given.
They just did everything completely wrong here.

[MageBlack]

I think the point that other person was trying to make was that it is your choice to have gone with that, ignoring any potential consequences for doing so, regardless of how legit of a reason it may be (such as friends being there). Consumers ignoring the consequences of their actions really is a facepalm moment, regardless of any reason for doing it. It's like someone buying a fuel guzzling car, knowing full well it does that, then complaining to the manufacturer/dealership that the car is costing them too much money on gas. It's true that it does, but whose fault is it that you decided on it to begin with? lol That sort of thing.

I get what he is saying. But not all of us chose to go there or when we did choose, it wasnt the overpopulated place it has become. So, I was there when it was relatively uncrowded then it became over populated. Would that then make it my fault and the onus is on me to move somewhere less crowded?

The argument makes sense assuming it was busy and crowded when you chose to make a character there.

[Ophie-Mio]

The argument makes sense assuming it was busy and crowded when you chose to make a character there.

In your case, it doesn't make sense, however there are so many cases where that is the case. People move to Balmung or constantly complain to open it and then they come back and complain about something like housing.
With that being said, sorry that your server became a crowded monster.

[Welsper59]

I get what he is saying. But not all of us chose to go there or when we did choose, it wasnt the overpopulated place it has become. So, I was there when it was relatively uncrowded then it became over populated. Would that then make it my fault and the onus is on me to move somewhere less crowded?

The argument makes sense assuming it was busy and crowded when you chose to make a character there.

That's very true, but it still remains that the choice was yours to make originally (essentially saying that it was a bad choice under the given context). Just as you have no power over who joins the server, SE has no moral power as well. It's true that it's their decision to put in varying prices and other things for system controlled expenses, but that's their design goal to limit things such as what the rich can potentially do within reason in an economy that is typically easy to make a certain amount of reasonable gil for the server.

While you can point fingers at another, and are often justified to do so, it is also very bad ethics to ignore some degree of personal choice, consequence, and responsibility (where possible). In some cases, particularly if you started with ARR, one sign of heavy server load is legacy servers and popular names. Not always applicable, but it's a good starting point for determining consequence of joining a particular server (even if it's just as minimal as queue times to get in).