The Wyrmking vs. Thordan

[Fenral]

It also struck me that we might just end up siding with neither and forcing a truce to team up and foil the Empire's designs on the Allagan's Floating Continent! Wouldn't that be Disney...

[Balipu]

It also struck me that we might just end up siding with neither and forcing a truce to team up and foil the Empire's designs on the Allagan's Floating Continent! Wouldn't that be Disney...

Possible, but mostly likely an Ascian plan will have to be foiled. At least by proxy. Gaius was "helped" by Lahabrea and I am sure he had his dirty hands in project meteor as well.

[saber_alter]

Possible, but mostly likely an Ascian plan will have to be foiled. At least by proxy. Gaius was "helped" by Lahabrea and I am sure he had his dirty hands in project meteor as well.

Undoubtedly so. The mothercrystal was hit pretty hard by bahamut's two minutes of fame, maybe Dalamud was an idea initially brought to the allag by Ascians? it would make sense in the scheme of things, there really hasn't been anything found to be redeemable at all about them (besides the we were here first pity card).

[treuhavik]

maybe Dalamud was an idea initially brought to the allag by Ascians?

This is a safe bet, I'd say. I mean, in my mind, the best way to drain aether from Hydaelyn would be to imprison and sustain as many of these aetherial entities as possible (which the Allagan did/attempted). This would not only consume mass amounts of aether, but keep it from returning to the stream. It's possible the Paragons even did this indirectly by introducing them to a few certain statues, showing them "Gods" could be used as a source of great power.

[Edellis]

Aye. In fact, Midgarsormr is supposedly the first dragon and sired seven sons.

Bahamut might make sense if you haven't finished coil, but is that the real Bahamut or a aethereal manifestation of him? Actually, considering that the coil storyline ended before patch 2.5a, even his primal form is dead. Besides, even if Bahamut had never been entrapped by the Allagan in the 3rd astral era, he'd still be in Meracydia with his people dragon horde, which is not in the realm of Eorzea.

So, while Bahamut was probably one of Midgardsormr's children, he's not one of the sons he references being in Eorzea.

I was under the impression that somehow, Bahamut being referred to as a Dreadwyrm made him different from a "Dragon", but i know dragons go through metamorphosis as they age. Are he and Midgardsormr even the same type of being?

[treuhavik]

I was under the impression that somehow, Bahamut being referred to as a Dreadwyrm made him different from a "Dragon", but i know dragons go through metamorphosis as they age. Are he and Midgardsormr even the same type of being?

Dreadwyrm simply means that he's a Wyrm (Great Dragon) that is greatly feared. He and Midgardsormr were both Scalekin (dragons), but the Bahamut we see is actually the primal version. The true Bahamut is believed to have died centuries past. How this primal form differs from his living form isn't exactly known.

However, I've heard that in the expansion we'll fight all seven sons of Midgardsormr and, well, we can't really fight a non-existent Bahamut, can we? So, perhaps he wasn't a son of Midgardsormr, but he's still said to be "of the first brood" I believe and was definitely the father of the Meracydian Horde.

[Reinhart]

The interview at PAX East mentioned we'd fight seven wyrm kings in Heavensward, but it wasn't stated that they also were Migardsormr's sons. The seven and seven might link up to show that's the case, but we haven't had any confirmation of that yet.

[treuhavik]

The interview at PAX East mentioned we'd fight seven wyrm kings in Heavensward, but it wasn't stated that they also were Migardsormr's sons. The seven and seven might link up to show that's the case, but we haven't had any confirmation of that yet.

Ah, Thanks for clearin' that up!

[Rbstr]

It could very well be that you fight a bahamut in Heavensward.

Power is apparently proportional to how much aether/many crystals you use. And you can summon the same primal over and over. Maybe someone summons him with a teacup full?

"Oh gods, they summoned Bahamut?!" "Yeah...he's about a yalm tall"

[Anonymoose]

"Oh gods, they summoned Bahamut?!" "Yeah...he's about a yalm tall"

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