Hurray! Finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

[MageBlack]

Thanks for adding to your last post...

Well i guess it is my fault then. It's my fault the servers cant handle being bombarded, my fault they implemented a casual content system that is a first come first serve, my fault I don't want to break up our group or make everyone shell out more money to SE to transfer. I know I am not alone in this. Sorry to have wasted your time with this thread.

Also, I have never said anything about being a paying customer ergo I deserve anything. I wasnt trying to be selfish in my thread, if i came across that way, I apologize.

[Havenchild]

Thanks for adding to your last post...

Well i guess it is my fault then. It's my fault the servers cant handle being bombarded, my fault they implemented a casual content system that is a first come first serve, my fault I don't want to break up our group or make everyone shell out more money to SE to transfer. I know I am not alone in this. Sorry to have wasted your time with this thread.

Also, I have never said anything about being a paying customer ergo I deserve anything. I wasnt trying to be selfish in my thread, if i came across that way, I apologize.

I wasn't trying to sound like an ass but rather giving you a logical response. There's some fault with SE for not having a better system in place, and there's some fault on the persons who choose to stay in this situation even if it was initially unwillingly. It's going both ways at this point. You and everyone else who despises the current housing setup, can only hope SE listens more and makes adjustsments. Granted I wouldn't get my hopes up too much on what they would be willing to do to accommodate all the current players and those to come without adding quite a lot of money to their budget.

[Gillionaire]

I feel like i'm being punished for not exploiting the gil markets like others did

Yes, usually when you CHOOSE to opt out of money making opportunities, often that leads to you having to cope with the consequences of not being able to purchase the things you'd like..
Don't say that like you had some moral obligation to pass up an opportunity to make some virtual currency..

So disregarding that 50 CUL is nowhere near "basic crafting", the Duty Roulette, Challenge Log, and Treasure Maps might make you 50k a day on average, and Ehcatl Sealant isn't exactly the hottest stuff on some more populated servers...

Look, I'm proud of you for capitalizing on a server market need but I don't think that's relevant to the discussion of what your average casual player experiences.

Well, considering the game as a whole.. CUL 1 star crafting is really basic. I don't know how casual you like to play your game, but it takes about 60 leve allowances and under 6 hours to get a crafting class to level 50. It's not nearly as time consuming as leveling up a combat class.

This is a bit of an idiotic response. By this reasoning anyone that joined the game after housing was released is not expected to be able to get a house?

SE really should have left the wards to FCs and given personal houses there own entirely instanced system. Anyone saying they don't have the resources to do that please look at every other MMO with instanced housing.

Not exactly, new comers don't really have the chance to join full servers anyway, and new servers usually still have plenty of housing plots available. The numbers ARE dwindling every day and Jenova's about to run out of small plots on the main divisions and subdivisions have maybe a dozen or so left, but that's bound to be gone soon too. but if you're willing to work at it, you can still buy a house on the new servers. is it fair that you get to miss out on content because you started playing the game late? No, but it's unavoidable.. I never got the full experience in any of the pve content because everything is pretty much face roll and that's to be expected, I can't ask everybody to be restricted to i60 when going to labyrinth of the ancients.. and don't even get me started on Castrum and Praetorium..

All small houses are gone on Atomos, a supposedly LOW pop server. So, the "you're on a high pop server" argument doesn't hold up. :/ SE could've done this in a better way. Let's agree to that at least...

Ehh, buy a medium sized one then. Still plenty of those to go around.



I guess I find it hard to relate to all the woes of people on legacy servers because Jenova is quite empty and has a very expensive MB as well. But is there really nobody that's selling houses? Don't some people want to move away from that server? I imagine there would be a mass exodus every time new content patch arrives and there's hours of queue to just get in the game. Maybe SE failed to implement a successful free server transfer to alleviate the server loads..

But I must admit, way most people complain about housing, it sounds like they simply do not have enough gil to find a way around it (Pay triple to have person relinquish, buy a medium instead of small, etc.. ) In this case, OP seems to be in a bind that just simply sucks, but that has not been my usual interaction with people who say the rent is too damn high, which is why I often react in such a way.



If i may suggest one last attempt at getting a house before expansion (I imagine getting a house in expansion will only be more difficult for you
maybe find an FC or a person who owns the house that's thinking of transferring off of the server, or quitting the game altogether.

There's bound to be a few that plan on quitting once the expansion hits for whatever reason..

If you save up about 60 million gil I think you can pay the relinquish fee + medium plot.
Of course, if the person's just simply up and quitting or moving off the a different server their prices may be significantly lower..

[DarkStar]

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I find your forum name incredibly appropriate for your 'argument'...

Anyway, to keep this post on-topic, I'm feeling a bit salty about the housing system myself right now, because up until a couple months ago I was on the Hyperion server. After a great deal of saving and scrimping and scrimping and saving, and playing the market board as much as I could, I finally got 5 million gil, just in time for the Subdivisions to be released. With that money, I was able to buy a nice house in the Goblet overlooking the valley. It was a bit small, sure, but it was enough for me.

And then all my friends transferred off Hyperion.

Now, these were actual friends, not just "People I met on the game". We know each-other outside the game, have been in a few other MMOs together, and so yeah, I wasn't going to stay in Hyperion after they'd all left. So, now I'm on Excalibur, without a house, and without any available housing plots even close to my price range. I'm in an FC and have a Personal Room so it's not all bad, but dangit, I was just starting to get the hang of gardening...

[Gillionaire]

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Lol yes, wouldn't have it any other way
That's currently what my main gaming consists of in ff14, making gil.

I'm usually an end-game pvp'er with crafting on the side to supplement my pvp money drain, but since pvp in this game is non-existent, I've pretty much just been doing crafting and it's treated me well.
I understand that most other people don't play this game for crafting and that's where I'm failing to make the connection. Some people won't even spiritbond because it's boring and my attitude is suck it up and do it for money. (Of course we can go into a long debate about why you'd have to do something you don't want to do in a game that's supposed to be for your enjoyment etc. etc. long discussion) But ultimately, if you want something that badly I'd work at it. Of course, in specific cases like the OP's.. It requires a lot more work than what I've had to do to get my houses..

Speaking of friends.. They're the one who dragged me away from WoW where I was perfectly content and the main culprit skipped out on me over to stupid Hearthstone so I can definitely empathize with having crappy friends who ditch you hmph.

[MageBlack]

I wasn't trying to sound like an ass but rather giving you a logical response. There's some fault with SE for not having a better system in place, and there's some fault on the persons who choose to stay in this situation even if it was initially unwillingly. It's going both ways at this point. You and everyone else who despises the current housing setup, can only hope SE listens more and makes adjustsments. Granted I wouldn't get my hopes up too much on what they would be willing to do to accommodate all the current players and those to come without adding quite a lot of money to their budget.

It just came across, to me, as quite condescending and "victim blaming". I dont expect you should read the whole thread before commenting but I have acknowledged almost all the points you make, I'm not blind to them or ignorant of them. I think there are many factors and situations that your "Logical Response" does not take into account. like;

myself and a few others are legacy and couldnt transfer off a legacy server at first, and all those servers are crazy full like this. It's not like I picked this server cause I wanted to be overcrowded. I got merged here during 1.0 when servers shrank so coming here wasnt even my choice.

and

I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up (at which point i checked the forums and saw people saying my server was already sold out.)

Also,

I would like to point out that not everyone is in a FC, and not every FC has a house. And personally, I dislike the idea of using a FC room as my house because it is something that you "own" subject to the whims and behavior of others.

The whole system was not designed to be an all access content. Now, if SE can offer everyone on the High Populated servers a free server transfer, we will organize and take it in a heartbeat. As Nice as a house would be, its not gamebreaking, just heartbreaking. I was looking forward to it so much. I'm really hoping more wards will be added in heavensward and if so, I will be there hitting F5 like a mad man trying to get in and I will get at least our FC house. I will still feel bad for the ones who missed out because its a real shitty thing to miss out on housing, gardening, chocostables, FC crafting, FC airships, FC bonuses, and whatever else they are going to tie to the housing system in the future.

But I must admit, way most people complain about housing, it sounds like they simply do not have enough gil to find a way around it (Pay triple to have person relinquish, buy a medium instead of small, etc.. ) In this case, OP seems to be in a bind that just simply sucks, but that has not been my usual interaction with people who say the rent is too damn high, which is why I often react in such a way.

For me, it has NEVER been about the cost of the house, it's the availability of "personal" housing. FC housing having limited space, i'm ok with but personal houses should have been available to every adventurer. Lock it behind story line quests, or some outrageous requirements but make it something everyone can get if they worked towards it. right now, even if you had the money, you might not even be able to get the house.