Hurray! Finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

[Havenchild]

OP, I find it hard to be entirely sorry for you or others that complain about availabilty. Are you wrong for doing so? Not entirely , and SE "could" have did it different, but at the same time you accept responsibility for the situation alil because you choose to remain on a populated server. They cannot and should not cater to the populated servers for housing when people willingly continue to move migrate towards these full servers. The demand for small houses will never be met on those high pops and people seriously need to understand and accept that.

As for new people coming into the mix is it fair for them? Maybe not but at the same time just because you come in later that doesn't mean you get seniority either. Doesn't work like that in real life either.

Let's also be honest about something, someone brought up an example of what if they got on the big pop server without knowing? Well, if they didnt know to begin with, then how did they find the window of time to make an account when these servers are usually majorily throughout the day closed? Would there be lucky (or unlucky) people to get through in that off chance they signed up it was open? Probably, it's also probably not that many people. Let's not ignore friends trying to connect with friends on populated servers who come into the game and said friend joining is not informed about things like this beforehand only to make a complaint thread on the forums.

I'd imagine they're gonna add new wards later on so do yourselves a favor and save up about 15m (If your on a high pop) before they announce new housing areas and be there at server launch too. Also it is very easy to make big money fast in this game. If you choose not to do the activities daily , especially crafting, that reward players with big gils then that's no ones fault but your own.

[MageBlack]

OP, I find it hard to be entirely sorry for you or others that complain about availabilty. Are you wrong for doing so? Not entirely , and SE "could" have did it different, but at the same time you accept responsibility for the situation alil because you choose to remain on a populated server.

As for new people coming into the mix is it fair for them? Maybe not but at the same time just because you come in later that doesn't mean you get seniority either. Doesn't work like that in real life either.

Lol, ya. I guess all 21 of us could pay for server transfers just to get a house. My bad. I guess I'm just lazy and expecting too much.

EDIT:

Sarcasm and frustration aside (sorry bout that.) I do realize its because of the server I'm on but myself and a few others are legacy and couldnt transfer off a legacy server at first, and all those servers are crazy full like this. It's not like I picked this server cause I wanted to be overcrowded. I got merged here during 1.0 when servers shrank so coming here wasnt even my choice. A couple members also like to RP and there is a good RP community here (That could be fixed as well if SE could just slap a "RP" label on a server or two per data center)

I just felt like if they did personal housing differently then the FC situation wouldnt be an issue either. Again, i'm not a dev so I dont know what all went into this content. But I would like to say, this is the ONLY thing I have ever griped about regarding this game. All in all, I can live with not having a house, for now. I remembered Yoshi-P saying the housing team was working on the Golden Saucer, so now that they are finished, I wanted to bring this up again in hopes they will at least add a few more wards or something...

As for new people coming into the mix is it fair for them? Maybe not but at the same time just because you come in later that doesn't mean you get seniority either. Doesn't work like that in real life either. I'd imagine they're gonna add new wards later on soDoesn't work like that in real life either. I'd imagine they're gonna add new wards later on so do yourselves a favor and save up about 15m (If your on a high pop) before they announce new housing areas and be there at server launch too. Also it is very easy to make big money fast in this game. If you choose not to do the activities daily , especially crafting, that reward players with big gils then that's no ones fault but your own.

Regarding your "Seniority" post, thats actually exactly how its working. Only those who have been here the longest and accumulated the wealth and were on at the right time, get the houses. and it makes me laugh to say "It's no ones fault but my own" Less than an hour after servers went live, plots were sold out. I guess It is my fault I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up so I gave up and logged in at 7am instead of the 3am it went live.

[Havenchild]

Lol, ya. I guess all 21 of us could pay for server transfers just to get a house. My bad. I guess I'm just lazy and expecting too much.

EDIT:

You're right. Doesn't make sense to do that but it also doesn't make sense to make a complaint thread about it when this sort of demand should be expected on a high population server. What did you think was going to happen?
Would you be on the ball enough to get a house next time when they add new wards again?

You're allowed to be frustrated because SE could have implemented it better. No one will deny that. However, what we have at the moment is what we have, and it's time to accept the situation no matter where you're located. You as well as others can only hope they either add more with time, or adjust the housing system. Just make sure you're ready next time as soon as it's announced.

Lol, ya. I guess all 21 of us could pay for server transfers just to get a house. My bad. I guess I'm just lazy and expecting too much.
Regarding your "Seniority" post, thats actually exactly how its working. Only those who have been here the longest and accumulated the wealth and were on at the right time, get the houses. and it makes me laugh to say "It's no ones fault but my own" Less than an hour after servers went live, plots were sold out. I guess It is my fault I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up so I gave up and logged in at 7am instead of the 3am it went live.

Known issues regarding high population servers. If I was on a high pop, I would expect this scenario automatically every. single. patch. especially if you say the housing is getting blown out like that well, sad to say you're playing a luck game now.You don't exactly have to but remaining, staying in that situation, well now you should understand how this plays out already.

Maybe you shouldn't "have to" deal with this cause you're a paying customer but as of now, it is what it is.

[MageBlack]

Thanks for adding to your last post...

Well i guess it is my fault then. It's my fault the servers cant handle being bombarded, my fault they implemented a casual content system that is a first come first serve, my fault I don't want to break up our group or make everyone shell out more money to SE to transfer. I know I am not alone in this. Sorry to have wasted your time with this thread.

Also, I have never said anything about being a paying customer ergo I deserve anything. I wasnt trying to be selfish in my thread, if i came across that way, I apologize.

[Havenchild]

Thanks for adding to your last post...

Well i guess it is my fault then. It's my fault the servers cant handle being bombarded, my fault they implemented a casual content system that is a first come first serve, my fault I don't want to break up our group or make everyone shell out more money to SE to transfer. I know I am not alone in this. Sorry to have wasted your time with this thread.

Also, I have never said anything about being a paying customer ergo I deserve anything. I wasnt trying to be selfish in my thread, if i came across that way, I apologize.

I wasn't trying to sound like an ass but rather giving you a logical response. There's some fault with SE for not having a better system in place, and there's some fault on the persons who choose to stay in this situation even if it was initially unwillingly. It's going both ways at this point. You and everyone else who despises the current housing setup, can only hope SE listens more and makes adjustsments. Granted I wouldn't get my hopes up too much on what they would be willing to do to accommodate all the current players and those to come without adding quite a lot of money to their budget.

[Gillionaire]

I feel like i'm being punished for not exploiting the gil markets like others did

Yes, usually when you CHOOSE to opt out of money making opportunities, often that leads to you having to cope with the consequences of not being able to purchase the things you'd like..
Don't say that like you had some moral obligation to pass up an opportunity to make some virtual currency..

So disregarding that 50 CUL is nowhere near "basic crafting", the Duty Roulette, Challenge Log, and Treasure Maps might make you 50k a day on average, and Ehcatl Sealant isn't exactly the hottest stuff on some more populated servers...

Look, I'm proud of you for capitalizing on a server market need but I don't think that's relevant to the discussion of what your average casual player experiences.

Well, considering the game as a whole.. CUL 1 star crafting is really basic. I don't know how casual you like to play your game, but it takes about 60 leve allowances and under 6 hours to get a crafting class to level 50. It's not nearly as time consuming as leveling up a combat class.

This is a bit of an idiotic response. By this reasoning anyone that joined the game after housing was released is not expected to be able to get a house?

SE really should have left the wards to FCs and given personal houses there own entirely instanced system. Anyone saying they don't have the resources to do that please look at every other MMO with instanced housing.

Not exactly, new comers don't really have the chance to join full servers anyway, and new servers usually still have plenty of housing plots available. The numbers ARE dwindling every day and Jenova's about to run out of small plots on the main divisions and subdivisions have maybe a dozen or so left, but that's bound to be gone soon too. but if you're willing to work at it, you can still buy a house on the new servers. is it fair that you get to miss out on content because you started playing the game late? No, but it's unavoidable.. I never got the full experience in any of the pve content because everything is pretty much face roll and that's to be expected, I can't ask everybody to be restricted to i60 when going to labyrinth of the ancients.. and don't even get me started on Castrum and Praetorium..

All small houses are gone on Atomos, a supposedly LOW pop server. So, the "you're on a high pop server" argument doesn't hold up. :/ SE could've done this in a better way. Let's agree to that at least...

Ehh, buy a medium sized one then. Still plenty of those to go around.



I guess I find it hard to relate to all the woes of people on legacy servers because Jenova is quite empty and has a very expensive MB as well. But is there really nobody that's selling houses? Don't some people want to move away from that server? I imagine there would be a mass exodus every time new content patch arrives and there's hours of queue to just get in the game. Maybe SE failed to implement a successful free server transfer to alleviate the server loads..

But I must admit, way most people complain about housing, it sounds like they simply do not have enough gil to find a way around it (Pay triple to have person relinquish, buy a medium instead of small, etc.. ) In this case, OP seems to be in a bind that just simply sucks, but that has not been my usual interaction with people who say the rent is too damn high, which is why I often react in such a way.



If i may suggest one last attempt at getting a house before expansion (I imagine getting a house in expansion will only be more difficult for you
maybe find an FC or a person who owns the house that's thinking of transferring off of the server, or quitting the game altogether.

There's bound to be a few that plan on quitting once the expansion hits for whatever reason..

If you save up about 60 million gil I think you can pay the relinquish fee + medium plot.
Of course, if the person's just simply up and quitting or moving off the a different server their prices may be significantly lower..

[DarkStar]

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I find your forum name incredibly appropriate for your 'argument'...

Anyway, to keep this post on-topic, I'm feeling a bit salty about the housing system myself right now, because up until a couple months ago I was on the Hyperion server. After a great deal of saving and scrimping and scrimping and saving, and playing the market board as much as I could, I finally got 5 million gil, just in time for the Subdivisions to be released. With that money, I was able to buy a nice house in the Goblet overlooking the valley. It was a bit small, sure, but it was enough for me.

And then all my friends transferred off Hyperion.

Now, these were actual friends, not just "People I met on the game". We know each-other outside the game, have been in a few other MMOs together, and so yeah, I wasn't going to stay in Hyperion after they'd all left. So, now I'm on Excalibur, without a house, and without any available housing plots even close to my price range. I'm in an FC and have a Personal Room so it's not all bad, but dangit, I was just starting to get the hang of gardening...

[MageBlack]

I wasn't trying to sound like an ass but rather giving you a logical response. There's some fault with SE for not having a better system in place, and there's some fault on the persons who choose to stay in this situation even if it was initially unwillingly. It's going both ways at this point. You and everyone else who despises the current housing setup, can only hope SE listens more and makes adjustsments. Granted I wouldn't get my hopes up too much on what they would be willing to do to accommodate all the current players and those to come without adding quite a lot of money to their budget.

It just came across, to me, as quite condescending and "victim blaming". I dont expect you should read the whole thread before commenting but I have acknowledged almost all the points you make, I'm not blind to them or ignorant of them. I think there are many factors and situations that your "Logical Response" does not take into account. like;

myself and a few others are legacy and couldnt transfer off a legacy server at first, and all those servers are crazy full like this. It's not like I picked this server cause I wanted to be overcrowded. I got merged here during 1.0 when servers shrank so coming here wasnt even my choice.

and

I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up (at which point i checked the forums and saw people saying my server was already sold out.)

Also,

I would like to point out that not everyone is in a FC, and not every FC has a house. And personally, I dislike the idea of using a FC room as my house because it is something that you "own" subject to the whims and behavior of others.

The whole system was not designed to be an all access content. Now, if SE can offer everyone on the High Populated servers a free server transfer, we will organize and take it in a heartbeat. As Nice as a house would be, its not gamebreaking, just heartbreaking. I was looking forward to it so much. I'm really hoping more wards will be added in heavensward and if so, I will be there hitting F5 like a mad man trying to get in and I will get at least our FC house. I will still feel bad for the ones who missed out because its a real shitty thing to miss out on housing, gardening, chocostables, FC crafting, FC airships, FC bonuses, and whatever else they are going to tie to the housing system in the future.

But I must admit, way most people complain about housing, it sounds like they simply do not have enough gil to find a way around it (Pay triple to have person relinquish, buy a medium instead of small, etc.. ) In this case, OP seems to be in a bind that just simply sucks, but that has not been my usual interaction with people who say the rent is too damn high, which is why I often react in such a way.

For me, it has NEVER been about the cost of the house, it's the availability of "personal" housing. FC housing having limited space, i'm ok with but personal houses should have been available to every adventurer. Lock it behind story line quests, or some outrageous requirements but make it something everyone can get if they worked towards it. right now, even if you had the money, you might not even be able to get the house.

[Aeyis]

Regarding your "Seniority" post, thats actually exactly how its working. Only those who have been here the longest and accumulated the wealth and were on at the right time, get the houses. and it makes me laugh to say "It's no ones fault but my own" Less than an hour after servers went live, plots were sold out. I guess It is my fault I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up so I gave up and logged in at 7am instead of the 3am it went live.

It is not. However it is, your ''own fault'' (choice) of being on a high population server. Let's be realistic here: plot availability is most of a problem for the high population servers. However larger population means you get a lot of advantages we don't have. (IE: easier to find groups, FCs, LS)

Personally I'm not sure why SE didnt implement more houses for larger servers.
It is still your own choice to be on a larger server, with its advantages and disadvantages tho.

[Quesse]

However it is, your ''own fault'' (choice) of being on a high population server.

Why do people keep saying this? Don't people realize that this is an MMO? People might actually have, you know, FRIENDS on the server they are on? That it costs real dollars to transfer your account(s) to another server? That none (essentially) of your gil transfers so you can't buy a house if you transfer? That 1.0 characters didn't have a choice where they were put and were even prevented from transferring for a long while? Its such a glib response to tell someone its their fault that they just haven't up and moved to another server as if its a click of the button with no repercussions.