It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Tiggy]

Fraud risk is due to the fact that there's no sanctioned exchange for gil > $$ and back. This means there needs to be trust between parties in terms of getting goods for money paid. This creates the fraud risk. There would be no fraud risk with a PLEX market at all since you would get what you pay for via the in game market.

Or people can refrain from breaking the ToS and not buy gil for money at all. Zero risk of fraud. Was the crux of your point really based on blatantly breaking the rules?

Don't be obtuse. It's no secret that SE pays very close attention to what WoW does, with good reason.

You DO realize I was the one that brought that article to this thread. That I was the one that quoted it. That it contained details specifically citing studies of what other MMOs do. OBVIOUSLY I know they look at other games. I'm the obtuse one. Lol.

I think it's more of a joke to think that WoW would actually consider going f2p in the semi near future.

Literally was the joke.

[Giantbane]

Or people can refrain from breaking the ToS and not buy gil for money at all. Zero risk of fraud. Was the crux of your point really based on blatantly breaking the rules?

I replied to someone who said PLEX could be a source of fraud. They linked an article about how RMT can lead to fraud lawsuits which involve the company in the middle of them. I pointed out why neither that article nor fraud lawsuits apply to PLEX. PLEX will not cause fraud lawsuits that could entangle SE. The end.

You DO realize I was the one that brought that article to this thread. That I was the one that quoted it. That it contained details specifically citing studies of what other MMOs do. OBVIOUSLY I know they look at other games. I'm the obtuse one. Lol.

Literally was the joke.

The other part of the joke is an acknowledgment of the fact that SE leans really heavily on WoW for design ideas. This is contrary to the rest of the article about how SE doesn't need to necessarily follow in the footsteps of other, non-wow MMOs.

You saying it's just a joke tells me you don't think that SE will do something just because WoW does it.

This game is a lot like WoW, cash shop and all. There isn't a lot of secret about that. If PLEX works out in WoW, do I think PLEX is going to be on the table for FFXIV? absolutely. Do I think that it will be specifically because it's WoW who did it? Yes. And I think you're obtuse if you think otherwise.

[nuyu11]

I hope this thread will end soon and we all forget about this Idea.

[Wildsprite]

This game is a lot like WoW, cash shop and all. There isn't a lot of secret about that. If PLEX works out in WoW, do I think PLEX is going to be on the table for FFXIV? absolutely. Do I think that it will be specifically because it's WoW who did it? Yes. And I think you're obtuse if you think otherwise.

personally I think it's a lot more than just WoW they are looking at. however if it does succeed in WoW I think you are right and it will come to XIV. how good or bad it is really depends a lot on the dymanics of the version they choose to impliment honestly.

[Magis]

I hope this thread will end soon and we all forget about this Idea.

Agreed, everything to be said has been said and all that is left is Tiggy and Preypacer smacking their head against a wall of the same arguments over and over. Thread should get locked and be done with.

[Tiggy]

You saying it's just a joke tells me you don't think that SE will do something just because WoW does it.

What in gods name gives you that impression. I literally pointed out that quote that literally shows them using other games in a study to decide what to do. You seriously think I missed that entire point when I was the one that posted the link in the first place. Now you're trying to force holes in my argument onto me because you fail to comprehend my words. Not through any fault of my own. That one line was literally him making a sarcastic joke. Because no one in their right mind believes WoW will go free. It has nothing to do with me not understanding that they look at other games for guidance. OBVIOUSLY they do that considering the quote I posted. Come on man. Just because they use WoW as a guideline does not mean they can't make a joke about WoW going free. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. And I'm the obtuse one. Lol.

Agreed, everything to be said has been said and all that is left is Tiggy and Preypacer smacking their head against a wall of the same arguments over and over. Thread should get locked and be done with.

Then don't bump it again with your own post. It's really simple.

[Jandor]

Agreed, everything to be said has been said and all that is left is Tiggy and Preypacer smacking their head against a wall of the same arguments over and over. Thread should get locked and be done with.

The PLEX system is simple in the extreme. There are no especially compelling arguments on either side, you either like the idea, don't care, or dislike the idea.

[axemtitanium]

I see a lot of people throwing around that "if WoW goes free-to-play" quote as definite confirmation that Yoshida will never add a PLEX-like system to this game. However, I read it a little differently. The full quote is "If WOW ever goes completely free-to-play, maybe we will consider it." I think this actually means if WoW does something, we will consider doing it too. WoW has just announced a PLEX-like system. Consequently, I'm certain that Yoshida has already had multiple meetings with his team and with higher-ups considering a PLEX-style option for this game.

[MageBlack]

I see a lot of people throwing around that "if WoW goes free-to-play" quote as definite confirmation that Yoshida will never add a PLEX-like system to this game. However, I read it a little differently. The full quote is "If WOW ever goes completely free-to-play, maybe we will consider it." I think this actually means if WoW does something, we will consider doing it too. WoW has just announced a PLEX-like system. Consequently, I'm certain that Yoshida has already had multiple meetings with his team and with higher-ups considering a PLEX-style option for this game.

You really want to gauge what this game will do Sub wise, Watch FFXI. 10+ years old and STILL P2P.

[Giantbane]

You really want to gauge what this game will do Sub wise, Watch FFXI. 10+ years old and STILL P2P.

PLEX does not remove the subscription so I'm having trouble understanding the point you're trying to make.