MGP too much of a grind

[Beeraga]

Oh sorry, you need to equips the Spectacles of Instantly Removes RAGE AGAINST THE SIDESHOW to understand.

[RobinRethiel]

The Gold Saucer is absolutely perfect (well almost perfect) for me in particular, because I miss the old school grind.

And? This no problem. They could multiplay the MGP gain with 10 and just give people like you an item for 10.000.000 MGP. There you got your "old school grind". Very easy to serve grinders. Just put something absolute pointless and expensive in it. Since all you want is to put much time into it, you are happy and all the others can just normally play the game and have fun.

It just basically means a grind is perspective, which it generally is due to a negative connotation behind the term. If you are doing something you don't enjoy, for whatever odd reason it may be, then you're making it into a grind. If you take a different approach to it, you may enjoy it better (e.g. doing other things and spending minimal time on it when you feel like it), etc etc.

Doing something simple like a TT game against the same person/deck 10000 times can never be fun. Exceptions prove the rule.

[MomomiMomi]

And? This no problem. They could multiplay the MGP gain with 10 and just give people like you an item for 10.000.000 MGP. There you got your "old school grind".

Impressive logic here.

Doing something simple like a TT game against the same person/deck 10000 times can never be fun. Exceptions prove the rule.

So don't do it.

It will also always be part of the lottery of breeding

Not always. Only until you get rid of it down the line.

Even if the other chcocobo is an All-Star-One, which would be pretty much impossible luck, ALL the bad star rating of the "cripple" chocobo may inherited, totally crushing this one great luck someone got with the bought chocobo.

I'm assuming here that by an All-Star-One, you mean one that has four stars in everything. If so, then your chocobo is guaranteed to get that into its breeding stats. You now have a good breeding chocobo. Yes, it has terrible stats on one side, but it has amazing stats on the other. It's a good bird, regardless of what its own stats are.

[Welsper59]

And? This no problem. They could multiplay the MGP gain with 10 and just give people like you an item for 10.000.000 MGP. There you got your "old school grind". Very easy to serve grinders. Just put something absolute pointless and expensive in it. Since all you want is to put much time into it, you are happy and all the others can just normally play the game and have fun.

Define what would be fun for you? Describe how long of active game time you expect to put in as well. There is so much about the things you say that just scream that you're not fit to be playing an MMORPG lol. I mean you're welcome to play, but your criticisms about the genre/game are just... well, it's similar to someone complaining that there are too many FPS games that you're in first-person and shooting things.

Doing something simple like a TT game against the same person/deck 10000 times can never be fun. Exceptions prove the rule.

Yet, somehow the repetition of an MMORPG in general is okay? Literally every single MMORPG is designed around repetition... literally every one of them. Doing anything 10k times gets boring lol, so it doesn't matter really, but the act itself isn't necessarily why you do it or why you play an MMORPG. It's about the effort you put in for your character/reward and the enjoyment to be had from it, regardless of how fleeting. This sort of reaction is NOT for everyone. It really isn't. If what you want is the reward, but it's a massive time haul to get and you're hating the idea of getting it, maybe don't do it all at once? Take your time... make a decision for yourself of priority and willingness to obtain something. I'd love Coil gear, but I'm not willing to go through the burnout of raiding again, so I'm not even gonna bother at all.

[RobinRethiel]

Define what would be fun for you? Describe how long of active game time you expect to put in as well...

Grinding is making people dumb. The human brain is not made for things like that. It's actual even a threat for peoples health. You would know this, if you would inform yourself about it.

FF14 got by far enough ways for people who love repetition. Just go fishing. Go for that achievement. Voila. What you need more? Gold Saucer should just be a grinding zone? Really? Square does not want it to be a fun place? Does not want it to be like in FF7? Does not want TT as great as in FF8? They designed this whole, colorful place to be a dumb grind? Really? That was their plan?

Can some community guy please ask them? If Square says "Yes, that's what we wanted!", it's fine. Than I won't say anything anymore.

I got a pretty high opinion of Square, especially in comparison to other studios. I still think, they are better than this, and simply did not see it ending like this. But a said. I may be wrong. Maybe Square really don't want a FF7 Gold Saucer or FF8 TT, but a standard MMO grindfest. I can not even imagine, why someone would want this, to crush a good thing to replace it with something every single MMO clone in the gaming world can deliver, but maybe someone can explain it to me.

[CodeCass]

Everyone's getting all uppity...and I'm just sitting here playing Triple Triad, working for my Adamantoise mount :3

Here's the thing; I get the grind game isn't for a lot of people, but just as many people either don't mind it, or even enjoy it. If folks have no desire for the MGP grind, then just move on from the GS. Everything that you need MGP for is strictly just for vanity. (Or for server rep because Adamantoise mount and server are the best lol.) The point is, yes, there's quite a bit of things in this game that are grind-based, but that's the way this MMO has been made. Most folks don't mind it, and we view it as something that we can work on or towards. I guess it boils down to, if you just HATE and can't stand the grind (which there is plenty of in this particular game), either avoid it, or play a different game. I guess that sounds kind of harsh, and I truly don't mean it to sound rude...but it's a grindy game lol. If you don't care for that playstyle, why play it and complain? Either hang out and enjoy Eorzea for what it is, or just try another game.

[DarkDedede]

If you don't care for that playstyle, why play it and complain? Either hang out and enjoy Eorzea for what it is, or just try another game.

or they could just wait until the following update, where they tend to ease up on the grinds of the previous content. Usually ends up being the case, more often that not.

Let the people that enjoy the grind have their day. Odds are, by the time the MP limits are made a bit less stingy, most everyone will be getting the prize content at the same time anyways.

[RobinRethiel]

If folks have no desire for the MGP grind, then just move on from the GS. Everything that you need MGP for is strictly just for vanity. (Or for server rep because Adamantoise mount and server are the best lol.)... I guess it boils down to, if you just HATE and can't stand the grind (which there is plenty of in this particular game), either avoid it, or play a different game. I guess that sounds kind of harsh, and I truly don't mean it to sound rude...but it's a grindy game lol. If you don't care for that playstyle, why play it and complain? Either hang out and enjoy Eorzea for what it is, or just try another game.

Yeah, great, why should people like and play FF14 and just don't went on to another game, all because they are pranked with vanity item grind. Pretty sure Square loves the idea, that all the players who hate grinding just cancel their abo and go away. Why fix something like that. Even vanity is only for pro grinders! Eat this, you casual and normal gamer majority! We don't need you and your money! Right?

Nice quote, DarkDedede:
"Fun comes first. If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong." -Naoki Yoshida

[Nex]

Too many white knights blindly defending rubbish design choices. Stop ruining the gaming community by accepting sub-standard products and actually DEFENDING them! The quote from the guy/girl above me sums it up, "If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong" - Yoshi. So where does beating the same NPC at TT 1000's of times come in to this fun? Or playing 1 of 3 races another few 1000 times? Was the fun hidden away somewhere in the Atma or lights grind, crafting leve grind or beastmen tribes grind etc etc? Forcing players to do the same piece of content over and over again for something as meaningless as a TT card is outrageous and lazy design work. As I've said, the GS should have been the welcome break from grinding in basically every other aspect of the game. Instead we get an even longer term grind thrown upon us to hide the severe lack of TT cards and pitiful amount of GS attractions/prizes in general. /endtruth

[ServerCollaps]

snap

every game becomes boring after x time invested if you try to single player it, super mario cart did and chocobo race also does

if you want to have fun than seek for some friends and play the content in the way its intended to be (playing vs 7 close friends who are ts with you or whatever)

If its no fun for you, you're doing it wrong
If you cant find a way to enjoy it then let it be or unsub and spare us with your stories