Pro tip: Tell me you're new to a dungeon /rant

[NyarukoW]

More like your friend says "I'm going to order food, do you want pizza?" Two of your other friends say yes. You don't answer, then you complain when they went ahead and ordered pizza anyway. Two people said yes, so they went with what the majority wanted because you never said you DIDN'T want pizza.

What happens when they want you to pay...? I suppose you don't eat the pizza and you don't pay and that would be out in that case. But that can only happen in dungeon if people leave or vote kick. And you don't vote kick someone new because they are new. That would be vote kick abuse, but I've seen speed runners do exactly that.

except this point was "fixed" in that people are forced to learn how to use the chat box via quest.

Do they really learn or did they just do the minimum to get thru it and then forgot about it? In any case you can't take a non-response as a response in agreement.

[Whiston]

How? Rude people shouldn't be given a pass, it only encourages them. If you can't deal with whatever issue you have with other people without insulting them, you should stop playing and learn some social skills. If you decide to keep ruining a friendly run in a game after I asked you stop, you're gonna deal with the consequences of your toxic behaviour. Respecting your party members is more important than your loot.

Conversely, in respect to your quoting of someone who instead of vote kicking stated they would like to help the party along, you went off on a tangent about how you would vote kick them for being rude.

I think rude is quite the subjective term. I feel you are coming across as fairly rude in your replies. And you're a bit of a buzzkill.
I don't vota dismiss from dungeons, but I wouldn't hesitate to get rid of you in a heartbeat. As you said quite well, nasty people are never welcome.

[Moqi]

No, they were talking about being kicked because the DPS though they weren't pulling enough, which is a behaviour I've seen enough of and that's why I replied to him in the first place. Insulting the tank because you're not AoEing as many mobs as you'd want is harassment. Tanks should pull how many mobs they feel comfortable tanking and I'll make sure they do just that.

I'm actually very open to helping people in dungeons, it's basically all I do these days, and I would rather (and always have) excuse myself from the instance and eat a cooldown than kick someone because they're not good enough even after everything's been explained to him, so I don't know why you're bringing it up like it's got anything to do with it. There's no helping disrespectful people, they are very well aware of it, especially if you tell them and they keep doing that.

[Lufir]

Speed runs are unfortunately the way everyone does things now, no matter the party composition. It's hilarious seeing a tank grab massive amounts of mobs with a scholar, monk, and dragoon in party and expect them to go down as fast as a white mage with double black mages.

However, I do find it annoying when players who are new to a duty refuse to speak up. I see this more common in extreme Primal battles than dungeons though.
Most of the time it goes like this: Party gets the bonus soldiery message.
Player asks: "Who is new?" (No response) Okay everyone knows fight, just haven't cleared yet.
Player pulls boss, group wipes to a basic mechanic. Now we wasted time spent that could have been used explaining a simple mechanic.

[Lufir]

Is it ok if we have sex?

If you don't respond, I assume you mean yes. You forfeited your right to complain. Fact is, silence does NOT mean "yes"

Comparing an interaction in-game to real life rape? Way to compare apples to steak. Social interactions online are VASTLY different than social interactions in real life. I fail to see how the OP assuming something in game equates to rapist tendencies.

[nuyu11]

Do not expect speed run with PUG, why don't you go with your friends?
Youre making new player feel horrible, let them enjoy this game.

Some new player still not in any FC yet or not have any close friends that they can count to help them do dungeons.
The different between speed run and normal run is not that big anyway, even if you finish 15 min early still not change any result.

Chill Bro, you're just stress yourself and bring everyone with you.

[Skeith-Adeline]

I'm going to go against the grain and say that dungeon runs outside of leveling instances are always speedruns, unless a person is new. If I ask (autotranslate is an option), and I get no response, I'm speedrunning.

[Anapingofness]

My personal take on SR's... they're ok but everyone should actually know how to do the dungeon before jumping into SR. It's like trying to run before you can walk.

First and foremost, I never assume an SR will happen unless I zone in with a premade group with that specific goal in mind.

Secondly, I have to be comfortable with the dungeon. This is usually taken care of privately but I've had instances where people expected me to SR and I didn't know how. However, I am always open to instruction and if they're willing to explain I am willing to give it ago.

Thirdly, after greeting the group in DF, I will wait for buffs and check the group. Low HP is usually a good indicator of someone being new even before the message pops up. At this point if someone is new or undergeared, or the group set up does not lend itself to an efficient SR, I will pull small pulls that I know the group can handle.
If the group is full of people who are experienced players and their gear checks out, I will then ask "How do you guys want me to pull?"


If I get an answer, then I will do with what the group wants. However, if even one person feels uncomfortable with an SR then I will go with small pulls. SR's require the whole group to work together, if one person isn't up to the task for whatever reason then the SR won't end well. I'd rather not waste anyone's time.

If I get no answer, I make small pulls because ultimately, I know that we will get through the dungeon like that.
The only thing that grates on me is when dps try to get impatient and try to force an SR on me- even though they made no attempt to communicate.

Now, I get players on consoles have a hard time typing due to lack of keyboard but typing out "sr plz" doesn't take that long, especially, when they are given several moments to respond.
The only other thing I have to say is that certain players overall should make more of an effort to communicate in game (language barrier not withstanding). I'm willing to work with my DF groups but if they don't even try to communicate there is only so much I can do. I'm not a mind reader. =\

[Ashkendor]

Wanna know why you don't understand?
Because you don't LIKE to do dungeons. You think of them as a chore you want to be over with ASAP. You play this game thinking that Coil and Ex Primals are the only thing that matter in the game and everything else is garbage.

Simple as that. Some of us do not think like that, and want to ENJOY the experience of dungeon running. Some of us play this game to, I don't know, having FUN. Instead of thinking of everything in terms of tomestones per hour.

You're making some pretty general blanket statements there based on what you think one person is saying, not to mention you're being terribly confrontational about it. Some of us speedrun just because we think it's fun. Pulling half a dungeon into a pile, popping hallowed ground, and watching two black mages and a white mage absolutely nuke the ever-living hell out of it it is one of the many sorts of entertainment that I play this game for. I used to absolutely hate CB HM until we started speed pulling it. Now as long as you have the right party composition, the entire thing is done in 3-4 glorious fireworks displays with some mildly boring boss fights in between.

If I thought everything but Coil and EX primals was garbage, I wouldn't spend half my day queueing random duties to farm cards/light/zodiac drops. I woudldn't go out of my way to queue tank for friends running on DPS or to JIP to replace the douche tank or healer that bailed on some random people that I barely know from my hunt linkshell. I genuinely enjoy a lot of the content in the game, but I also believe there's a lot of ways to enjoy that content.

If the healer is new, of course a speed run probably isn't in the stars for the party. The same if the tank is new. If one DPS is new and it's a low enough level dungeon (Amdapor Keep comes to mind), you better believe I'm going to be taking them on the ride of their life. If we wipe, we wipe. We res, we laugh, we do it all again. I've actually done that dungeon with a whm + blm friend and gotten a DF DPS that's doing it for their relic many times now. More than a few of them have told us at the end how much fun it was to just completely destroy the dungeon and how they were going to keep gearing so they could eventually do that themselves. Don't assume that every newbie is a fragile little thing that needs to be babied; many of them want to blow stuff the hell up too. :3

[Miitan]

I just assume someone is new in every dungeon and I rarely get proven wrong.