It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Fyce]

It's called PR, grats, you fell for it.

"They almost had a financial crisis because of 1.0, then they rebuilt the f-ing game and delivered what they promised."
"It's called PR."

Yeah, okay, sure, what you say.

If you can't understand why a MMORPG with long term goals needs to establish a healthy and happy community before trying to expand, your case is lost. There is no point arguing with you since you'll just call BS on everything.
Ho and, don't forget your tin-foil hat, SE can read your mind and steal your thoughts. What an evil company for sure.

Anyway, keep going with your cynicism and pessimism, you are doing great.

[Tiggy]

Especially because they said they'd only change their model "If WoW did". WoW is introducing a PLEX system. I think it's very likely SE will see how PLEX works for WoW and evaluate it based on that.

Did you miss the laugh after he said that? It was a joke. Like, "IF they ever go free, lol."

[Laerad3993]

Pretty sure your a tad touchy, I never mentioned "you", go back, read it carefully, I don't see your "name" in that post anywhere, if you think he refers to you, well I guess that's how you see it.

Sorry "baseless" claim, I never mentioned you by name, you did, try again.

@ Lamentations

I think you forgot the one that seems to come across the strongest to me.

4) People who want to be able to get something for nothing, i.e. "I don't want to have to pay for the game I'm playing."

Ex:He specifically used MY quote here.

Then you follow up with....

Nah, but I see where your going, I just think category 2) covers him as well.

I don't believe he wants something for nothing, I believe he wants a F2P financial model where he can buy his way to the top of the game with cash, he wants advantage.

If you're so sure that I am being a "tad" touchy, why didn't you just say people, instead of he/him? Why don't you go back and read it carefully. You don't have to use my name, and he did refer to me, he quoted ME, quit trying to be sly. You may have chosen to not include my name and quote, but it's more than obvious what you were doing, you can try and skirt that as much as you want. Don't do it again.

[KisaiTenshi]

Did you miss the laugh after he said that? It was a joke. Like, "IF they ever go free, lol."

PLEX-type of system isn't the same as "going free" either. It turns the game into a "real" job if anything. If you want to play the game, you need to spend X hours to earn Y gold to give it to the protection racket, or you lose your ability to play the game. We wouldn't want this to happen now would we? One needs to evaluate if it's better to pay 15$/mo with a "real job" that pays real money instead, PLEX costs 15$, but it costs 2 million gold, and the RMT's are selling it below cost, then you may have to spend an entire week to make that much gold. One needs to get their priorities in order.

"Freemium" games start out free and remain free, and the "PLEX" or whatever premium currency is in the system winds up being a way for players to feed gachapon/gambling addicts. Sure, I'll buy 100$ worth of PLEX stuff and sell it to the biggest gachapon hoarder in the game easily, but what happens is I end up with rapidly depreciating asset either way, I'd be better off holding on to my real cash. Maybe the gachapon hoarder will get that rare item they can then turn around and sell for more than the amount they paid in gold to buy the premium currency. If the plex system only works to buy game time, it's not quite as destructive to the game environment as straight illegal RMT is. But it creates fraud risk.

[Cronar]

i am so sad to say I have read every single post on this topic to get a understanding of the pros and cons of it.. and to me it really boils down to one simple thing..

players want others to pay for them to be able to play for free. this is the bottom line here. kinda like a back door F2P I want to play FF14 but I don't want to pay for it. so lets put in a system that lets others pay for it for me.

sorry but if you want to play then get out ya credit card and pay just like I do. you are NOT Owed anything to play this game it is not your right if you don't have what it takes to play it.

[Lamentations]

Then you follow up with....




If you're so sure that I am being a "tad" touchy, why didn't you just say people, instead of he/him? Why don't you go back and read it carefully. You don't have to use my name, and he did refer to me, he quoted ME, quit trying to be sly. You may have chosen to not include my name and quote, but it's more than obvious what you were doing, you can try and skirt that as much as you want. Don't do it again.

Lol think whatever you want, you obviously mistake me for someone who is concerned with what "people" think.

What I "wont do again" is continue to talk to someone who isn't worth my effort.

[Tiggy]

PLEX-type of system isn't the same as "going free" either.

You seem to be ignoring all the posts blatantly saying tokens can be purchased with in game money to pay for their membership. A plex system is intrinsically linked to the subscription system for this reason making what he said very relevant to the topic.

The denial is strong.

[Elleoille]

I know what I said before about having in game gil purchases, but that was mainly because I was really annoyed with the gil spammers and now that I think about it, PLEX was one of the main reasons I stopped playing EVE. Well, that and the thousands of dbags playing the game... Anyway, I bought PLEX, and became an instant billionaire. I had fun for about two weeks buying all kinds of stuff and then was bored out of my mind. I had nothings left to work towards in the game after that and didn't see any point in continuing the game. I just got really bored.

[Jandor]

Some of you seem to care way to much about where people get their subscriptions from.

[Moqi]

Some of you seem to care way to much about where people get their subscriptions from.

+1. It's been paid anyway, none of their business by whom.