Cerberus DPS Method - It Needs To Be Said. . .

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I love how a 2 people task suddenly takes a whole party to perform.

(With regards to the "All DPS In" method)
I love how a 5 man task suddenly takes 15 people to perform

Not attacking your post but simply inverting it to reiterate one of my points. I actually agree it doesn't take all of C (or whoever) to handle chains. But I would think - ideally - that those in C not dealing with chains would continue to either DPS Cerberus, or help with the adds. Again, this is an ideal, not really how things usually go.

[CGMidlander]

To be fair, when this part works, this makes chains easier (or SHOULD atleast) because the healers on C should know not to heal/DoT the chain people. A free for all can make it a bit harder simply because a random healer can accidently screw a chain person over because they didn't know they were goin for it.

Really, this part is the one that makes ABC just as good as All DPS IMO.

Why would they even need to heal the chainers? Cerberus is immobile and not attacking when it's chainable.

[Dualblade]

Why would they even need to heal the chainers? Cerberus is immobile and not attacking when it's chainable.

Less healing the chainers and more using AoE heals if Wolfsbanes hit multiple people, which then end up healing the chain people and making them drop it by accident.

[Sousoulsu]

(With regards to the "All DPS In" method)
I love how a 5 man task suddenly takes 15 people to perform

Not attacking your post but simply inverting it to reiterate one of my points. I actually agree it doesn't take all of C (or whoever) to handle chains. But I would think - ideally - that those in C not dealing with chains would continue to either DPS Cerberus, or help with the adds. Again, this is an ideal, not really how things usually go.

Comparing:
-A task that only two people in the entire alliance can do at once
to:
-A task that any number of people in the alliance can do at once

Funny.

[Alistaire]

Comparing:
-A task that only two people in the entire alliance can do at once
to:
-A task that any number of people in the alliance can do at once

Funny.

Welcome to the official forums. Where threads like this not only exist, but thrive. It's no wonder there are several other sites that regularly link to some of the ridiculousness that goes on here.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Comparing:
-A task that only two people in the entire alliance can do at once
to:
-A task that any number of people in the alliance can do at once

Funny.

Missing the trees for the forest yet AGAIN. You just seem to perpetually misunderstand me.

There was no comparison drawn between the two. At all. I took his statement and reworded it to reiterate my original point. Then I literally said I did that. THEN I agreed with his statement.

Sousoulsu, if you're going to completely misinterpret what I say, please just save yourself the time and don't bother reading it, or responding. Like block me or ignore me, or hell, write nasty notes and send it to all the girls you know. But really, just give it a rest. This topic was pretty dead and almost buried, and you dug it up for what? Your apparent obsession with me? I'm. . . flattered, I think, but I just can't notice you like the sempai you want me to be. (<----- To ensure there's no misinterpretation, this was all sarcastic humor.)

[Alistaire]

No there's no misunderstanding, just complete understanding at how faulty your logic was, that's all. I get it too.

Let's look at it this way:

2 people are needed for chains.
5 (for the sake of argument) are needed for stomach.

How much does it help to increase those #s?

3+ people on chains: no improvement.
6+ people on stomach: definite improvement, not just in how fast that part goes, but how few adds get spawned because of that speed. It's a cascade effect that means less work on the offtanks, healers, and everyone involved.

If people wipe sending all DPS in it's either because people are attacking the unknowns, aren't attacking the outside adds after getting spit out, or some combination of just being bad/undergeared/unskilled, and in that case you'd be more likely to wipe either way.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Alright, given that I agree there's no need for an entire alliance to handle chains, where does any bit of logic in debating the idea of additional numbers for a task that only takes 2 even come from? I took a statement - not even a completely invalid one - and reworded it to support my original statement. Word play, and that's it. A play on words and nothing more. (<-- See what I did there?)

Also, while I do debate the idea that sending more than the established minimum in is any faster than sending all DPS in, I said in the beginning that it's not a matter of "All DPS In" doesn't work. It's impractical, but clearly it works. Let's face it, the mechanics aren't so tight that it requires one singular method to win. However, I'm pretty resolute in saying that all DPS in is impractical. WORKS, but impractical.

[Alistaire]

As an offtank, I find it very practical to only deal with 2-3 adds rather than...whatever # end up spawning when you make that part 3x as long.

[MXMoondoggie]

As an offtank, I find it very practical to only deal with 2-3 adds rather than...whatever # end up spawning when you make that part 3x as long.

Like 3-4 i guess on a good day plus the DoT keeps getting stronger the longer you spend in there. With all the DPS inside the adds and the DoT are an afterthought because you are never inside long enough for either to make a difference you can pretty much nuke the first two then throw two one stack LB's on the last two and be out in the time one add has spawned.