Cerberus DPS Method - It Needs To Be Said. . .

[Artair]

IMO all non MNK DPS should go in. Monks are better staying outside, blowing up the adds before the other DPS are finished in the belly and never lose GL. The OT (If you are lucky enough to have an OT with an IQ higher than 2 who actually grabs adds) takes less damage (so many healers just completely ignore the poison and end up having to spam heal the OT when they could just esuna once or twice and DPS instead) and the dps who were inside can jump straight onto cerb once they get shat out. Win/Win.

ABC is full retard anyway because you don't need a full party to do chains and you don't need a full party to do adds.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I agree it doesn't take all of C for the chains. Instead the others can either help with adds or continue attacking Cerberus. No momentum wasted. (This was something previously stated).

It's really not a matter of better or faster. But all 15 dps in is just unnecessary.

[Artair]

Only need 1 dps to kill adds before the inside dps get out. The faster the walls die the faster cerb is slumped so the MT and all heals can switch to DPS mode and the faster the second belly phase starts. If the dps who stay outside can't deal enough damage while the walls are being killed to prevent a second belly phase then it takes longer than all dps in and results in more incoming damage to the group as a whole. Simple as that.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Please take your own advice. Please especially take #2.

Actually, please take both to heart. I know how much you perhaps want to be right and want the last word (and at this, please take it), but it passed the point of reason a long time ago, and it's neither cute nor funny. It's actually pretty pathetic and borderline creepy if I may be so honest. And passive-aggressive deflection from a near-dead topic dragged back up by you if only to again make a self-supporting (and completely wrong due AGAIN to misinterpreted) statement is, once again, not as on the mark as you think it is.

So let's try openly aggressive: "faster = better" is narrow minded and one-dimensional, you need something better to do at 5AM, I question your comprehension skills now, and while I lack any interest in what you say at this point, please say it then shut the hell up.

P.S.

Both methods work, but one works faster, making it the better method.

Except that it's been established that it really isn't faster. Thus it isn't any better OR worse (It IS however impractical). Thus your wrong.

2)Stop being wrong so often.

[Sousoulsu]

Please take your own advice. Please especially take #2.

Actually, please take both to heart. I know how much you perhaps want to be right and want the last word (and at this, please take it), but it passed the point of reason a long time ago, and it's neither cute nor funny. It's actually pretty pathetic and borderline creepy if I may be so honest. And passive-aggressive deflection from a near-dead topic dragged back up by you if only to again make a self-supporting (and completely wrong due AGAIN to misinterpreted) statement is, once again, not as on the mark as you think it is.

So let's try openly aggressive: "faster = better" is narrow minded and one-dimensional, you need something better to do at 5AM, I question your comprehension skills now, and while I lack any interest in what you say at this point, please say it then shut the hell up.

P.S.
Except that it's been established that it really isn't faster. Thus it isn't any better OR worse (It IS however impractical). Thus your wrong.

In any metric that can be measured, all DPS in is better; and most players seem to agree that if a kill is assured, a faster kill is ideal.

How is all DPS in belly not faster? You have not quantified this claim.

You're doing it again - please stop getting mad at me and resorting to personal attacks when I point out a misstep in your thought process. It makes your argument weaker and makes you seem like an overly-emotional dolt.
If I truly bother you so much that you have to resort to unfounded personal attacks, just don't reply. It really is that easy.

[Reinfeld]

P.S.
Except that it's been established that it really isn't faster. Thus it isn't any better OR worse (It IS however impractical). Thus your wrong.

The method you choose probably only shaves 20-60 seconds off your clear, BUT If you're trying to minimize your clear time as much as possible the method that works better depends on your DPS output.

- If you have low DPS (can't get Cerberus below 35%ish before second belly either way) both methods should be roughly equivalent in speed because even though you kill the belly slower with ABC, you still have about the same damage output from 15 DPS and are incapable of reaching the insta-kill from second belly either way.

-If you have average DPS (most DF groups) and you ABC you risk getting him below 25% before belly because you delayed his second phase thus wasting DPS; however, with the all in method you end the belly phase asap to start his next rotation and should have no problem getting him to ~30% (then if need be you can shave off his last few % while he's unconscious).

-If you have high DPS it can go either way. If your DPS is very high, delaying his rotation with ABC might allow you to kill him before the second belly. If it's Extremely high it doesn't matter because you'll be able to finish him off either way.

So assuming you have a run with average DPS (probably 80-90% of DF runs) all in will be slightly faster, whereas ABC is only better if you are intentionally trying to delay his next phase.

[Delvish]

'All in' is the general consensus on my server, but it should be said that (alliance setup allowing) SMNs and MNKs should remain outside. Walls won't stay up long enough for DoTs to be as effective as they will on Wolfsbanes and Cerb. MNKs will likely see GL stacks drop by the time they get minimized, are eaten, and zone into the belly. The other front-loading DPS jobs are better suited for all in approach.

I will admit that I always held the chains, but after reading a few posts about delaying the second belly phase, I won't be doing that anymore. At least not on the first belly phase. No reason to wake him if he isn't dead already by the second.

[Gralna]

'All in' is the general consensus on my server, but it should be said that (alliance setup allowing) SMNs and MNKs should remain outside.

Smn should go in for no other reason than to summon titan and have him grab the adds, seen a few alliances wipe because all the dps were killed inside the stomach. Also of late I've been staying out to help dps down the wolfsbane, since it seems it's rare for one of the two offtanks to grab them, resulting in most of the healers being dead by time dps get out of the stomach.

[SpookyGhost]

Speaking solely as a MNK, I go in. Why? Because one of the times I didn't, everyone inside died, and we wiped. I'd rather lose my stacks and assure the one big mechanic of the fight is dealt with than wipe and lose my stacks anyway. In a perfect world, MNK and SMN stay outside. DF isn't perfect, though, and it's better to take the path of least resistance.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Speaking solely as a MNK, I go in. Why? Because one of the times I didn't, everyone inside died, and we wiped. I'd rather lose my stacks and assure the one big mechanic of the fight is dealt with than wipe and lose my stacks anyway. In a perfect world, MNK and SMN stay outside. DF isn't perfect, though, and it's better to take the path of least resistance.

I hear that. I only stay out side as a Dragoon when the DPS has done an exceptional job on all previous stages and I can confidently let them do it one man short. Cause I can, have, and will likely need to again, solo that stomach full of dead dps. Thank The Twelve for HQ X-Potions.