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  1. #51
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    Nyalia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noumo View Post
    If your common sense don't immediatly tell you that this is wrong it seems like I'm just a better person.
    Oh my, and humble too!

    Seriously though, you aren't. Get over yourself and stop being so petty. Selling wins is as acceptable as selling carries right now. It's not against the ToS, so it's not reportable, and it's not disallowed. And yes, that means people can do it. Stop forcing everyone to play the way you do and get over yourself.

    And yes, the tourny has serious issues and really needs to be fixed. SE has acknowledged this and will look into it for future tournies. This one, however, will continue by the rules as they were written at the start of the tourny. Canceling it would only be unfair to those who have participated already, regardless of how you feel about their participation.
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  2. #52
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    Tiger Etesian
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    Hey there,

    It is doubtful a solution will work where players can play people they know at will. So step one has to be a SE Controlled match making system. Ideally, that system could mirror the Hearthstone Arena style pairing system. IE I'm at 3 Wins and 0 Losses, I'm paired with someone else with 3 Wins and 0 losses or close, someone who's 2 and 1 or 2/0/1. This ensures that you create a distribution of players. You'll be paired based on your current record until you've played your 15 matches. 15/0 GUARANTEES you that week's prize card. There is no reason to keep people from collecting a none tradable entity. 15/0 Also nets you some fixed about amount of MGP, 20K or something of that nature. Graduate the prizes from there in line with the MGP generation formula that I'm sure SE has already determined.

    This plan works cross realm lines, eliminates the need for a leaderboard, game rigging, and selling of matches.
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  3. #53
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    Choco Feru
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    The thing is that it's hard to prove if they cheated. On Ragnarok we have the 1st one with 15/15 wins, and there's another one around 13 position that has 15/15 wins too. Wich one cheated? none? both? Maybe the first one played against high-lvl TT players and the other one played randombly or spammed the same one. Who knows.

    The fact is that it's exploitable, therefore we have a problem that must be solved.
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  4. #54
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    I think people wouldn't care about this nearly as much if the Lightning reward were not (as far as we know) exclusive to the tournament. As OP pointed out in bullet 5, making an exclusive reward a functional item is just a poor decision and reflects a discouraging lack of understanding and foresight on the part of the people who designed the tournament. Luck-based rewards (because that's what this tournament comes down to, no matter how you slice it, provided there is no exploiting—which there is), should never grant winners an exclusive advantage over others. It's the difference between rewarding a single exclusive item (Lightning card) versus a large amount of common items (MGP). The Lightning card has no commodity equivalence as this is the only way to obtain it, and is thus invaluable. When players are locked out of obtaining something that is not only aesthetically but functionally unique, that leaves a very bad taste in their mouths. (1/2)
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  5. #55
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    FF games have always attracted those hardcore players who love to get every last item/skill/unlockable they can in the game. When you essentially eliminate fair access to one, you are bound to irritate the player base. I am very disappointed and feel disrespected by the dearth of thought that went into this decision. At least make Lightning and the other tournament cards available for 1 million MGP like Cloud. That would alleviate a lot of people's dissatisfaction, and provide some sure way of obtaining the card. (2/2)
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  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    Oh my, and humble too!

    Seriously though, you aren't. Get over yourself and stop being so petty. Selling wins is as acceptable as selling carries right now. It's not against the ToS, so it's not reportable, and it's not disallowed. And yes, that means people can do it. Stop forcing everyone to play the way you do and get over yourself. Canceling it would only be unfair to those who have participated already, regardless of how you feel about their participation.
    Aww, don't flatter me so much.

    Keep repeating, that it's not against the rules, doesn't make the whole argumentation valid. Yes, yes, it certainly isn't disallowed and yes, people are able to do it but that's far far away from the subject if one should do it. It's just a matter of common sense which is set by our society and not argueable. Exploiting every advandage there is to get even if it is at the expense of other honest and hard trying people is a fine first step to a full flegded egomania. Playing fair and square doesn't mean to just avoid everything that's forbidden but playing in a way that gives equal chances to (mostly) everyone. Oh dear, there are so awful many who are with me on that regard, lucky me. And by the way, canceling everything would be harsh, true, but it would equalize everything as well which is still a good thing but I'm with Ultimasamune's argumentation eventually.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noumo View Post
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    If people aren't buying wins, they're going to use alts, or friends. It's honestly inconsequential. People may as well profit off of it.
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  9. #58
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    Brovoje Janasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by MomomiMomi View Post
    If people aren't buying wins, they're going to use alts, or friends. It's honestly inconsequential. People may as well profit off of it.
    Yeah, I agree. Good sportsmanship is so outdated, anyhow.
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  10. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madigari View Post
    Yeah, I agree. Good sportsmanship is so outdated, anyhow.
    people will always try to find the quickest n easiest way to the top with minimal or no effort needed the way current tournaments are set up some1 with basic cards could place high just by buying wins lol
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  11. #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    "Oh I can't win anything, so none have the right to win, even if they do it legally."
    Or
    "They are better than me, they must be cheaters, right ?"
    Or
    "This stupid minigame is so important, SE must fix asap with all their might. Just discontinue heavensward development and assign all available staffs to this stupid minigame. But wait, I will complaint again when heavensward is not out when i get bored from this"
    From casual TT player PoV
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