It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[KayoZ]

Now, I'm just gonna reiterate my argument, for the sake of staying on topic, that PLEX would help the economy by taking money that would be piling up in someone's wallet, and giving it to someone who will most likely spend it on a money sink, erasing that sum of gil from the economy and helping lower inflation.

Your argument here is full of holes and hypothetical assumptions. Saying the mere transference of gil (minus whatever % the AH keeps) is somehow adding to the gold sink of the game is flawed.

For starters, whats to stop a greedy gil hoarder from buying up his own "sub token" and fattening his pockets even more? Also, do you really think only the 1% will be able to afford this? Wildstar sold their CREDD for $20 and they sold for anywhere between 15k and 20k. Thats next to nothing to high level players there and easily obtainable in a few days. I even read posts of players claiming to have multiple months worth of CREDD tokens saved up. Anyone greedy enough to hoard such amounts of gil could easily use this to hoard even more. Not to mention how the fact you only need one of these per month means it would hardly make a dent on the filthy rich.

Second, just because Player A buys a sub token from Player B doesnt automatically mean he's going to now spend all that in gold sinks. What if he becomes the gil hoarder now spending his hard earned RL money to become the new 1%er? Everyone has the same gold sinks available to them ... thats why theyre there. Everyone needs to repair, everyone who buys in the AH needs to pay the tax. I dont understand why you think the rich have any less of a gold sink available to them than a regular player. Sure, Player B may suddenly be able to buy a 2.5 million gil house, but those arent exactly readily available are they? SE cant even keep up with demand.

Third, what one player does, affects the other. Maybe now that Player B has all this gil, he'll craft even less. Why bother leveling and crafting things to sell when you can just pay SE and you get a hot ticket item and sell it for a large amount of gil? So now someone else has not only less things to buy, now he's seeling less mats. Yes, im building assumptions just as big as yours but both are just 1 of thousands of alternative consequences that can happen which may or may not make things worse. The only way to really fix inflation is with real gold sinks in which players want or need to spend gil on.

THis idea is good on paper for the possible effect it could have on hackers and bots ... however thats already been proven ineffective. Whats left is a 'legal' way of buying gold.

[Magis]

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In 2.0, repair costs were extremely high. It was actually a pretty good gold sink, though maybe... too good. People began running dry and couldn't afford repairs, running AK and WP naked to avoid damage. SE then nerfed the repair costs. This was before roulette gave you money. IIRC monsters didn't drop any either, it was all from chests containing Allagan pieces.

To adjust for inflation, maybe SE should bump up costs after adding all these fountains?

[Intaki]

For starters, whats to stop a greedy gil hoarder from buying up his own "sub token" and fattening his pockets even more?

You're one of those people who thinks this system actually creates money, rather than simply moves it around, aren't you?

[Magis]

You're one of those people who thinks this system actually creates money, rather than simply moves it around, aren't you?

He's saying that using IRL money, the gil hoarder can absorb even more money, with no effort put in. Yes, no money was added, but it has now become stagnant in someone not spending in game money. Did you read anything past that about WildStar?

[Intaki]

He's saying that using IRL money, the gil hoarder can absorb even more money, with no effort put in. Yes, no money was added, but it has now become stagnant in someone not spending in game money. Did you read anything past that about WildStar?

You mean how CREDD was affordable to the vast majority of players? Yeah, I did read that. I experienced that first hand. It was pretty great.

A) It does create tons of money each day.

It doesn't. The PLEX system creates zero money. It simply creates a commodity that a player may sell to another player for money.

[Tiggy]

It doesn't. The PLEX system creates zero money. It simply creates a commodity that a player may sell to another player for money.

Thought you meant FFXIV as it is instead of plex. My bad at the misinterpretation.

[Tiggy]

You're one of those people who thinks this system actually creates money, rather than simply moves it around, aren't you?

Money moving around is what a a video game economy largely consists of. It's not only about money creation. It's about having enough money moving around for everything to work smoothly. For people to feel satisfied at the end of the day with what they earned because of the buying power it gives them for the next day. If you think it's only about money creation then quite honestly you're missing the point of MMO game economies.

[AlexionSkylark]

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Actually, if the guy is buying a bunch of tokens, that's money coming out of his pocket into (quite possibly) a multitude of players. And I'm not saying THAT (the MB cut % of each token sold) is what's adding to the sink. Nowadays, there isn't much reason for anyone in the game to WANT for a massive quantity of gil other than to buy a house. And that's the biggest money sink I ever saw in a game. You can bet your behind that almost everybody who'll buy tokens will want to use their newfound gil to buy a house. A pretty large gil sink.

And you know something funny about housing? Once you buy a house, you are done with it. There's little reason (and I don't even think it's possible, correct me if I'm wrong) to buy multiple plot wards. Now if you trade that gil you have with a person who doesn't yet own one, that person will want to sink that gil into a house. Gill that wouldn't be sinked otherwise.

Yes, it is really THAT simple.

[Tiggy]

Then add more reasons to spend money. Way easier than shoe horning in some ridiculous rmt scheme.

[DoctorPepper]

Nowadays, there isn't much reason for anyone in the game to WANT for a massive quantity of gil other than to buy a house. And that's the biggest money sink I ever saw in a game. You can bet your behind that almost everybody who'll buy tokens will want to use their newfound gil to buy a house. A pretty large gil sink.

Here are a handful of expensive items you could spend gil to obtain:
1. HQ Artisan Gear for crafting (best gear in game for serious crafters)
2. HQ Foragers Gear for gathering (best gear in game for serious gatherers)
3. Crafting/gathering materia for the above gear (ranges from 20-350k each on my server)
4. i110 accessories for coil (used to get dual main stats for advantage in survivability)
5. DoW/DoM materia for Zodiac/accessories (ex. 11+ savage crit 4 @ 400k each and 8+ savage det 4 @ 400k+ each)
*6. Minions (some ranging from 1.5-4 mil each)
*7. Vanity Weapons/Gear
*doesn't help you achieve anything