Can we end this?

[Tezz_Xivectro]

This~~~~~~!

Nothing but conflict could possibly come from this thread. Please lock/delete.

[Seif]

Cry me a river. I like Fields of Valor!

[Visch]

This game needs to be FFXI so it wont be bad

[Jennestia]

I think im gonna throw up if i see another "PLZ CLONE FFXI" thread. You would think that after being ignored for so many months pple would get it but they don't.

Here, I'll supply you the bucket. *Hands Onidemon a bucket*

Guess what they just announced that was a feature from FFXI?

The Ability to set homepoints.

Bindpoints is nothing new to MMORPGs, but the current concept introduced is exactly like XI's concept.

You may commence the puking now.

[whoopeeragon]

There's nothing wrong with taking the good aspects of FFXI and putting them into the game, especially since they won't majorly change things. So no, I don't think we need to end this.

Let us guess what he ate for lunch based on the colours, shall we?

[Darkshade]

/sigh

I just don't care anymore OP. I think I actually feel pity for you. I hate these forums if only for all the constant bickering and whining.

[Akira_Tenshi]

FF XIV will never appeal to the masses. Square tried to target this game at a new audience but mostly got FF XI players. I don't think it is unreasonable to at least expect a game equal to or better than FF XI, i mean it was in development for years. Players aren't asking for a clone of FF XI, they just want XIV to be as good.

[Gennosuke]

I disagree completely.

When i see a long awaited and highly anticipated game failing due to an unsuccessful attempt of re-inventing the wheel, i personally dont fancy sitting back quietly and watch the game turn into a pile of rubble because people like you want to discourage the rest of us to ask to bring the goodness back into this game, even if it means cloning FFXI.
There is no doubt amongst the vast majority of players who experienced FFXI that it was simply an amazing if not the best MMO experience we have had and as such many of us jumped on the FFXIV wagon with hopes of having an even better experience.

I for one initially was anticipating a much better game than XI, my hopes were really that high, and i as the rest of us here was looking forward to a new game with refreshing new ideas, i believed they could surprass XI with their experience, unfortunately, i think it's clear this was not the case atleast as far as Tanaka has taken us and where i and many others stand right now is.. clone XI or atleast the good parts of it is certainly better than watching the game fall into ruin. I think it's clear also that a huge amount of players have left the game and a few members opinions like yours does not reflect the masses whether in or off the forums, so have some humility and respect other people's wishes for this game to succeed as it's predecessor by bringing whatever is good from SE's past into this game even if it's your nightmare XI. Perhaps it's noteworthy to remind you that by SE's decision, many changes have and are still taking effect now where they are are more or less cloning features of XI, why? because it worked, and i sure hope more of it will come through.
I will stress the obvious fact that XI fans aren't actually asking for a complete clone of XI, but something of similar standard at the very least, offering an experience atleast as enjoyable as XI. This isn't about cloning, i'm sure no one wants to play in the same areas or have the exact same battle mechanics or skills and abilities. All people welcome change, as long as it's good and hopefully better.

To give credit where it's due, there surely are elements/aspects of this game that excel over XI and attract many of us, such as graphics and more importantly the casual play factor, but unfortunately a whole other lot are by far not up to standards, so i personally hope to continue bringing to attention whatever good existed in XI that can help improve this game and have it reach far and beyond XI and i hope the rest on the forums will do the same whether its ideas from XI or any other game for that matter or even their own imagination (goblin airmen?).

[Aldwin]

To give credit where it's due, there surely are elements/aspects of this game that excel over XI and attract many of us, such as graphics and more importantly the casual play factor.

Hopefully this isn't too offtopic, but I wanted to add to this not all of us (myself at least) aren't too excited with the casual play factor. At least as far as easy, short or small group oriented play.

Some of my best memories of xi were overcoming hard missions or bosses that took us many tries, deaths, days farming items or gil to buy gear, only to fail over and over again (early cop? lol) until we beat it. While hard content may sound bland to some, the feeling of accomplishment was all the more for having to have worked harder for it. After they nerfed the cop missions, I don't think it was quite as interesting personally.

I hope they add some rather difficult content to xiv.

[Gennosuke]

Some of my best memories of xi were overcoming hard missions or bosses that took us many tries, deaths, days farming items or gil to buy gear, only to fail over and over again (early cop? lol) until we beat it. While hard content may sound bland to some, the feeling of accomplishment was all the more for having to have worked harder for it. After they nerfed the cop missions, I don't think it was quite as interesting personally.

I hope they add some rather difficult content to xiv.

I agree with you that challenge is what makes a game fun and certainly what made XI fun too, as with the examples you mentioned. Casual doesn't necessarily have to conflict with a challenge focused and party oriented game for that matter although unfortunately it does in the current state the game is in (and i blame that on the flawed Armoury system). I believe that SE was aiming for a balance with this game and i like to believe they can still do it.
As for challenging content, i would think they will bring it on sooner or later, personally i would prefer job/subjob system to kick in, i think that would solve alot of the issues we have and would set a limitation and a standard level where content can be equally challenging for all and SE wouldn't have to worry so much about discrepancies or balance between casuals and non casuals.

Otherwise, I think the moment they seriously address the Armoury system to cater for all sorts of players, then, again, we can hopefully have harmony where everyone can be challenged in the game at equal levels.
Having said that though, they do have plans of implementing some limitations on Armoury system in the future and i think that will be a step forward in the direction you suggested.