Sick of unjust vote dismisses

[Anubis_Nephthys]

I dont know what you guys that get kicked are doing to get kicked.
I have done a TON of instances, been here since 2.0 beta 3, and I could probably count the number of times I've been vote-kicked on one hand.
This is on PLD, DRG, & WHM.

[Adire]

I dont know what you guys that get kicked are doing to get kicked.
I have done a TON of instances, been here since 2.0 beta 3, and I could probably count the number of times I've been vote-kicked on one hand.
This is on PLD, DRG, & WHM.

Luck. That's all there is to it. Some people constantly get put with bad apples, some do every so often, and some never do. For me, it's every so often I'd say, but I know people who have experienced all 3 things. And I also tend to notice unwarranted abuse towards other players, not just myself. Maybe that's why I see it as often as I do.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for some people to believe this. We're on the internet, and on an mmo, both are not known for being full to the brim with nice, caring people. It's not a stretch to believe that some innocent people have bad luck a lot with meeting the many bad people on the internet and on here.

[Jinko]

9 times out of 10 if you are being kicked there is a good reason, people aren't being dickheads for no reason... maybe you need to reflect on either your play style or communication skills OP.

[Amateru]

I dont know what you guys that get kicked are doing to get kicked.
I have done a TON of instances, been here since 2.0 beta 3, and I could probably count the number of times I've been vote-kicked on one hand.
This is on PLD, DRG, & WHM.

You don't know how many times they (we) got kicked, you just know they did. They may be the same as you, countable on one hand.
Kicking is a shock even if it happened just once. It just feels bad knowing someone kicked you for reasons unknown or trivial.

Saying you are here from Beta do not changes anything xD, because we didn't have vote kick system in beta and early 2.0. I'm sorry, but I do not remember from which patch we have it.

Just for the statistics. I am a main tank, have PLD, WAR and WHM lvl 50 only. I have 737 commendations and have been kicked 3 times so far.

Many of people here assumes that if someone says he/she got kicked it happens to that person regularly, which in most cases is not true in my opinion.

[KaedrianLiang]

9 times out of 10 if you are being kicked there is a good reason, people aren't being dickheads for no reason... maybe you need to reflect on either your play style or communication skills OP.

That applies to face-to-face irl. Ingame players are more likely to be inconsiderate about these kinds of things when they dont see a face or hear a voice. Which leaves the vote to kick feature to be vulnerable to abuse. Especially so when threads like this keep cropping up with no one ever hearing about "serious punishment" ensuing. The feature is flawed and not being enforced. The warning on the kick HUD is a bluff. Making people 9/10 times more likely to foul play.

As outlined by OP.

HE GAVE A VERBAL FEINT. Didn't actually do anything.

OTHER PLAYERS RESPONSE

"LETS USE HIM, DEPRIVE HIM OF HIS TIME AND KICK HIM BEFORE THE LAST BOSS, THUS DENYING HIM OF HIS ROULETTE CLEAR AND TOME REWARD, WASTING 20-30mins of his TIME, WHILE WE SIT BACK AND LAUGH AT HIS EXPENSE" If they were offended they should have kicked him on the spot, no they took it above and beyond making them the bigger issue. This is the essence of poor conduct and vote kick abuse.

"you hurt my feelings with you words, but im going to get back at you by using your services to push us to the last boss, THEN we will kick you, i will have the last laugh. Then you get to sit in the que again, and run through your roulette/dungeon again, all because i must satisfy my illogical mindset."

The majority of players on this thread are defending the latter? What is wrong with you people.

That you know of. Of course he's lying and cherry picking. You think he's going to tell you the part he kept at it for a solid 5 minutes swearing blindly? Or the part he went AFK until the dungeon went his way?

You have no way of knowing what goes on in that dungeon. And I'll tell you something. This wasn't a one-off with him. It's consistent. Is the problem the rest of the world or is it him?

Think on that one.

Given my premise on the condition of the world regarding equality and bias. Yes there's a high chance he is among the bias, but given that logical discussion is only based on what is revealed, we must assume that everything OP says is true. To dig in a yard looking for buried bodies is committing red herring, especially when there's a reason without a doubt that there may be no buried bodies at all.

Besides I've listed over a dozen instances where i've been kicked, and i didn't drop low to cherry picking. I delivered the truth that Kick Abuse is a real problem. While the opposing players that find words more threatening then the end result of what transpired in OP's post. The more wicked action came from OP's mistreatment.

[Adire]

That applies to face-to-face irl. Ingame players are more likely to be inconsiderate about these kinds of things when they dont see a face or hear a voice. Which leaves the vote to kick feature to be vulnerable to abuse. Especially so when threads like this keep cropping up with no one ever hearing about "serious punishment" ensuing. The feature is flawed and not being enforced. The warning on the kick HUD is a bluff. Making people 9/10 times more likely to foul play.

As outlined by OP.

HE GAVE A VERBAL FEINT. Didn't actually do anything.

OTHER PLAYERS RESPONSE

"LETS USE HIM, DEPRIVE HIM OF HIS TIME AND KICK HIM BEFORE THE LAST BOSS, THUS DENYING HIM OF HIS ROULETTE CLEAR AND TOME REWARD, WASTING 20-30mins of his TIME, WHILE WE SIT BACK AND LAUGH AT HIS EXPENSE" If they were offended they should have kicked him on the spot, no they took it above and beyond making them the bigger issue. This is the essence of poor conduct and vote kick abuse.

"you hurt my feelings with you words, but im going to get back at you by using your services to push us to the last boss, THEN we will kick you, i will have the last laugh. Then you get to sit in the que again, and run through your roulette/dungeon again, all because i must satisfy my illogical mindset."

The majority of players on this thread are defending the latter? What is wrong with you people.

Apathy seems to be what's wrong. The person you quoted is a good example. It was an unspecific statement with a made-up-off-the-top-of-the-head statistic. People just don't seem to care unless it affects themselves or seem to believe that if they don't experience it, it must not be an issue and everyone who does experience it must be at fault somehow.

[Jinko]

HE GAVE A VERBAL FEINT. Didn't actually do anything.

OTHER PLAYERS RESPONSE

"LETS USE HIM, DEPRIVE HIM OF HIS TIME AND KICK HIM BEFORE THE LAST BOSS, THUS DENYING HIM OF HIS ROULETTE CLEAR AND TOME REWARD, WASTING 20-30mins of his TIME, WHILE WE SIT BACK AND LAUGH AT HIS EXPENSE" If they were offended they should have kicked him on the spot, no they took it above and beyond making them the bigger issue. This is the essence of poor conduct and vote kick abuse.

Well unfortunately when you play with other people this is what you get just like when you get picked on in the play ground, adults as well as children can be childish and nasty and that's just a fact of life when you involve other people in your activities.

You speak of punishment but you do realise that such a feature can be just as abused by babyish people who feel they have been hard done by.

Apathy seems to be what's wrong. The person you quoted is a good example. It was an unspecific statement with a made-up-off-the-top-of-the-head statistic. People just don't seem to care unless it affects themselves or seem to believe that if they don't experience it, it must not be an issue and everyone who does experience it must be at fault somehow.

You assume that I too have not come across idiots in this game and others for that matter, its not a lack of caring, I am fully aware of how people can behave, its just being realistic and being aware that when you bring 3rd parties into your activities they can turn a fun experience into a bad one. (something unfortunately you just have to accept, I very much doubt SE have the time and resources to investigate every claim of foul play)

[Adire]

You assume that I too have not come across idiots in this game and others for that matter, its not a lack of caring, I am fully aware of how people can behave, its just being realistic and being aware that when you bring 3rd parties into your activities they can turn a fun experience into a bad one. (something unfortunately you just have to accept, I very much doubt SE have the time and resources to investigate every claim of foul play)

You just simply justified the kick against the OP in your original post and assumed they were at fault and justified kicks against 9/10 players (a blanket, made up statistic, wouldn't be surprised if it were completely off), and were ready to move on from this topic. That has nothing to do with what you just said in defense of your post, and is content of the post I was referring to.

But to address your post just now, I was not assuming that. However, if you've had such experiences in a decent amount, you should not be blindly justifying 9/10 kicks against players. You should know what it's like to experience it. It may not be regular for you, but you know the feeling, and should and least believe/sympathize with people who do experience it more often. Also, we are aware 3rd parties can ruin our experiences. This is what the entire thread is about, so you're preaching to the choir here.

Also, it's SE's job to investigate our claims. If they can't, it's a failing on their end. Paying customers should have the benefit of being ensured a safe, fair environment, or at least as much of one as possible. Saying "Oh, it's too much money/resources, let's not bother" when it's an issue so directly relating to players' safety and enjoyment of the product would be, put short, immoral. If the player can't deal with these things emotionally, maybe he or she should not be playing until that's sorted. However, being harassed, abused, or wrongly kicked from a duty they've contributed to and knowing no justice will be done would be like the government allowing murderers to get away with things because they don't think they can spare the resources to investigate.

[Jinko]

I did not justify 9/10 being kicked, I said 9/10 times when someone has a complaint with someone it is not unwarranted, learn to read please and stop putting words in my mouth so to speak.

Keep seeing what you want to read though, its how arguments seem to go round here anyway.

[KaedrianLiang]

9/10

We are discussing what you claim to be that 1/10 part of it. Go run along now and bandwagon with the rest of the replies.