Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Kona_Nightwind]

Referring to the top DPS charts. I glad you posted these, made me look at them again. If you take a look at the SMN dps, all the top dps is very close and consistent. Its how dot classes work. Then you go over to the BLM there is no consistency(harder to see from it being done by ilvl). The top DPS is inconsistent. There are large gaps between equally geared top dps score. Its how proc based classes work.

[Sen_Terrechant]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=198217000
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...DVkM1E#gid=124

Both spreadsheets have a DPS page. Both of them are represented by SMN who play end game and top tier guilds. The MP fix results in a small DPS increase which by no means is huge. We're talking about a 5 DPS increase. And if you actually never were out of mana, then it really isn't any of an increase.
Mind that the top 5 BLM usually do more DPS than the number 1 ranked SMN. One of which is Havenchild.

Dont forget that Rational Gaze has a parse that is catered to him 100%. His team literally set up him to do near the maximum amount of damage he could pull as a SMN in T13. I parsed just under 2nd (in an 125 Apoc book) and i doubt i could reach 492 without my party having to sacrifice their own DPS in places.

Referring to the top DPS charts. I glad you posted these, made me look at them again. If you take a look at the SMN dps, all the top dps is very close and consistent. Its how dot classes work. Then you go over to the BLM there is no consistency(harder to see from it being done by ilvl). The top DPS is inconsistent. There are large gaps between equally geared top dps score. Its how proc based classes work.

So we have to do a massive amount less damage because we are more consistant in our low damage? Okay then ^-^

[Sen_Terrechant]

Your the person complainging about SMN DPS directly after a buff, using pre-buff figures.

We have not yet seen what top tier SMN's are now capable of pushing the class to on FCoB.

SMN may need a further buff, but you have no real idea by how much if at all.

Also what someone else says about BLM DPS being effected by RNG/Procs is true, so a better comparision would be a BLM's adverage numbers on said turn, not just their peeks. RNG may not make a "huge" difference, but there is certainly a noticable variation based on RNG elements.

I can tell you right now i gained around 5ish DPS overall from that buff from simply being able to do a better rotation this week in FCoB. Now tell me, do you really think 5ish DPS is significant?

[scarebearz]

I can tell you right now i gained around 5ish DPS overall from that buff from simply being able to do a better rotation this week in FCoB. Now tell me, do you really think 5ish DPS is significant?

TBH I doubt your new rotation is optimized to allow for the mp reducations/max DPS on all 4 turns, after just 2 days and 1 FCoB run.

I've seen various other SMN's claiming a 15-30 dps increase from this buff for FCoB at least and I don't see why they would be "biased".

I may be wrong, but I do believe the mp reducations will allow for a greater dps ceiling on any fight that people were complining about going OOM/needing to use excessive ED's on.

[Sen_Terrechant]

TBH I doubt your new rotation is optimized to allow for the mp reducations/max DPS on all 4 turns, after just 2 days and 1 FCoB run.

I've seen various other SMN's claiming a 15-30 dps increase from this buff for FCoB at least and I don't see why they would be "biased".

I may be wrong, but I do believe the mp reducations will allow for a greater dps ceiling on any fight that people were complining about going OOM/needing to use excessive ED's on.

Lets put it this way. I used maybe ONE ED a fight, and was already getting a good amount of autos in. I highly doubt people gaining 15-30 from a non-potency buff. Maybe they were low on damage to begin with?

Im not saying my rotation is the MOST optomized, but im still ending the fight with very very low mana.

[Xisin]

This thread is moot. I doubt smn will be looked at until 3.0 now and at the point all classes are rebalanced. Vivi, give it more time (another week) before you start going hardcore again with the smn campaign. More data is needed to get the real value of the buff. The biggest flaw in puros chart is that you can fudge easily on it. Those who go in with an ilvl of 120-14 have the best odds due to how he rates and maths the stats. (he weighs ss at .25, det at .25 and crit at .25 - and rightfully so it'd be a lot of work to intrinsically place all values.) In other words melding a plat set + crafted set with pure ss values will yield high returns on ss (netting you a nice .12 increase per stat in damage on a stat that already towers to 1k in certain builds). The best way to win it in other words? crafted, not really bis.

At this point in the meta id actually rate raw dps as a better value either way. rather than calculated dps.

The parse bug im talking about isnt just 10ish. Now I'm not saying this is super common but it happens to two people i play with, the ACT parse will sometimes underestimate smn by a whopping 50-80 dps. Mine does this sometimes, others it doesn't, and I do not change settings between parses... Again not entirely sure why. Could be some setting on my side.

[scarebearz]

The biggest flaw in puros chart is that you can fudge easily on it.

This is true, when someone goes in with 2 Bards, the extra Foes is not calculated. ^_-

[Judge_Xero]

Did Ifrit damage get ninja buffed?

Doing 160 DPS on a Dummy and I swear I was only around 140 last time I checked.