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    Quote Originally Posted by Izsha View Post
    xenos with BB swapped to path and IR moved forward 1 gcd to hit IB.
    11 gcds. 4289 pot. Avg pot/gcd 389.93
    Pot affected by IR: 2453. Avg pot gain from IR: 122.(4411.9 total)
    Pot effected by xpot: 3144.7
    Are you not counting the OP/Toma on pull?
    1 - Toma
    2 - HS
    3 - Maim
    4 - SE
    5 - HS
    6 - SS
    7 - BB
    8 - Frac
    9 - HS
    10 - IB
    11 - Maim
    12 - SE

    That's 12... An unchained Toma/OP is not anywhere close to as potent as an unchained Fracture, or am I missing something? I'm not the best theory crafter, but what if I did Fract>Pot/Brutal>HS>Maim>IR/Zerk>Eye?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehayte View Post
    Are you not counting the OP/Toma on pull?
    Sorry didn't think to mention it. Yes, I excluded op/toma since this was for an OT opener, so toma/OP would be bad lol. I'll check your other opener a little later. I actually have work to do at work today lol.

    Back in ffxi I'd always do full posts showing my math and junk from my pc, but these days I mostly just poke my spreadsheets then post results via phone at work. So annoying to do math posts on phones so I never show much work anymore. Sorry guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izsha View Post
    I actually have work to do at work today lol
    That sucks, lol.

    But yeah, its not a fair comparison then, as the timeline you give (11GCDs) is the most potent 11 GCDs you can get, while my timeline is extended to 12 GDCs, his should as well with whatever attack would come next in his rotation, which would be a totally unbuffed HS. So when speaking about efficiency, yeah that's the most efficient use of 11 GCDs, but is it detrimental to your 12th, 13th, 20th, 100th GCD to not open with that fracture instead of going straight to HS?
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    Yes and no about the extra gcd. Sure the next gcd is unbuffed HS so if you draw a line at 12 gcds it's less favorable. But fights go on. At 13 gcds now you are stuck with HS and the other is at maim. With that extra gcd, the other is forever 1 gcd ahead for the rest of the fight so that's why you can just apply the Avg potency of a gcd because it represents that extra gcd ahead for the rest of the encounter, instead of looking at it as just a HS.

    It's the same idea applied to holding onto buffs. Every second you sit on a zerk or internal release is 1 second you delay the NEXT use of it, so it's modeled as a dps loss even though sitting on ir for 1 gcd doesn't weaken IR when you do use it, but it's still a dps loss on avg because you delay it. Delaying a gcd is the same way. So any extra gcds you add in your opener need to be avg higher than the avg of the rotation you just delayed.

    Edit: the frac thing might work since unbuffed it's jut 300 pot (280 if clipped 1 tic, 260 if clipped 2 tic). Avg eye path frac rotation avg 276 I believe (I'll check later) when you include maim and eye. So you might see a dps fain with an unbuffed frac if you can only clip it 1 tic and get full buffs on the 2nd frac. But if it's clipped 1 tic it would be a whopping 4 pot gain. Prob not worth the tp, but also beneficial in not stealing threat as OT. I'll math it out later when I get a chance, but it's more promising at 1st glance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izsha View Post
    but also beneficial in not stealing threat as OT.
    That's one of the bigger benefits to my opener. Going ham even with OT rots is dangerous. I have taken my fair share of Flame Breathes (even a flatten I had to Holmgang last night) from stealing hate with Unchained/Zerk.
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