Do I really need all DOH Classes to craft 3* and 4*

[Nyalia]

I'm going to assume that you just forgot to mention Alchemy 15, Tricks Of The Trade for 3* and 4* crafts.

I'd also like to point out that ING2 does in fact work on 4star crafts, it adds approx 10% to your progress skills and it seems to add a little to the effect on Touch skills. Not that I advocate using it unless you really need to.

Sorry, my post was quick and not very clear. I wasn't giving an order or anything. I was suggesting final levels of skills and saying which are skippable. I recommended getting ALC to 50, which requires you to get the ALC 15 skill along the way. For, say, CUL, I was saying that you really need the CUL 37 skill, but the CUL 50 skill is skippable. Same with ARM - you can pretty much always rearrange your progress moves to not need PbP (usually replacing PbP with RS), or just use 10 extra durability. I consider PbP to be useful but skippable. I don't really see CZ that way.

[Flinx]

Finally got my master book II for CUL after so many failures. They keys skills 50 that I used were Byregot, CZ, PbP, and of course Reclaim. None of my reclaim failed but I was quite unlucky baiting good/excellent conditions for my Byregot so I ended up wasting quite a bit of FC IIIs due to the craft turning to NQ.

[giantslayer]

Finally got my master book II for CUL after so many failures. They keys skills 50 that I used were Byregot, CZ, PbP, and of course Reclaim. None of my reclaim failed but I was quite unlucky baiting good/excellent conditions for my Byregot so I ended up wasting quite a bit of FC IIIs due to the craft turning to NQ.

I have had some tough luck getting my last few master 2 books. I've been getting my HQ % up to the 64-84% range, largely with normal condition on Byregot's, and been getting more NQ than HQ. I am almost done, though. Just need one more HQ for CUL.