Is FFXIV up against the clock?

[Gramul]

Leave his ass alone. It's quite accurate.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...25-in-4-months

90 and 25 are pretty far apart, and we don't know how much that has changed from the newest patch.
It may not be pulled directly from his ass, but I wouldn't exactly call it "quite accurate."

[Rinsui]

Ah. Sorry, I guess I have to clarify. The 25 down is down from the steady down since October 2010, and the different types of measuring player population used in the two assessment periods suggests that the true percentage of drop-outs is actually higher. The exact statistics are hidden somewhere in the Allakhazam post; please understand that I'll not repeat myself on this forum in detail - I don't like my posts being locked down.

Of course you are free to challenge the validity of the data; I don't want to preach the 7th Umbral cataclysm. The data I provided should be considered nothing more than a (in my opinion: rather reliable) estimation that helps to curb both the most irrational illusions about FFXIV's success, as well as the doomsday fantasies of... well, there's always some doomsayers.

@mysterytaru
LTR. Data from the first assessment period was compiled using the /sea all command. There's little room for making up fake numbers. Data from the second asessent period was compiled using a pretty smart indirect method, and it is not linked to Sankaku in any way. But as I said: Feel free to believe what you want to. There's always the possibility that all those sources are just evil people who are lying just to slow down the inevitable victory parade of a successful game. Especially since they are Japanese and hate their own country and SE so much, and want Korean and US games to succeed.

P.S.: And of course, there's always the possibility that 1.18 and the following patches will bring back shiploads of old players, and also entice a number of curious new players to buy the game.

[Jennestia]

Renshi, your post didn't make any sense.

His post made perfect sense, actually.

[Eugenics]

His post made perfect sense, actually.

"Pal, I'm interested on EVERY game I've listed"

I'm also interested on games. Jen go find something else to do.

[mysterytaru]

Ah. Sorry, I guess I have to clarify. The 25 down is down from the steady down since October 2010, and the different types of measuring player population used in the two assessment periods suggests that the true percentage of drop-outs is actually higher. The exact statistics are hidden somewhere in the Allakhazam post; please understand that I'll not repeat myself on this forum in detail - I don't like my posts being locked down.

Of course you are free to challenge the validity of the data; I don't want to preach the 7th Umbral cataclysm. The data I provided should be considered nothing more than a (in my opinion: rather reliable) estimation that helps to curb both the most irrational illusions about FFXIV's success, as well as the doomsday fantasies of... well, there's always some doomsayers.

@mysterytaru
LTR. Data from the first assessment period was compiled using the /sea all command. There's little room for making up fake numbers. Data from the second asessent period was compiled using a pretty smart indirect method, and it is not linked to Sankaku in any way. But as I said: Feel free to believe what you want to. There's always the possibility that all those sources are just evil people who are lying just to slow down the inevitable victory parade of a successful game. Especially since they are Japanese and hate their own country and SE so much, and want Korean and US games to succeed.

P.S.: And of course, there's always the possibility that 1.18 and the following patches will bring back shiploads of old players, and also entice a number of curious new players to buy the game.

There are ways to fudge the '/sea all' such as cherry picking when you do it to reflect the results you want, depending which side of the argument you are on. What I read in that was based on numbers from Cornelia which is useless for determining an accurate picture of the whole player base. Finally, the chart was linked from Sankaku and they've been dumping on and misrepresenting FFXIV since beta.

Any and all number presented by players or any other third party are not enough to pull random stats out of thin air and base claims upon. Unless you present official stats, nothing can be assumed true or accurate, and even then there are people who would claim SE is lying just because they can and *DO* want to see this game fail, and don't think there aren't JP players who want that. They exist on both sides of the ocean.

[Rinsui]

Unless you present official stats, nothing can be assumed true or accurate

I don't know why people would "cherry-pick" server data, nor why Cornelia would be a unique exception; last time I checked it was the No. 3 largest server in October 2010, so if anything, player numbers should be lower on the other servers. Unless, of course, something absolutely special happened on Cornelia.

Then again, I said: feel free to believe what you want to. I didn't come here to preach. I just offered a compilation of data a number of people might consider interesting, especially since there are no other sources available. Ever thought about why SE suddenly pulled the plug on official stats? To hide the overpopulation?

[Jieddo]

I may drop this game like a bad habit once phantasy star online 2 is released later this year.

[Renshi]

"Pal, I'm interested on EVERY game I've listed"

I'm also interested on games. Jen go find something else to do.

yep, but I'm specifically interested in those titles, which are pretty famous. And you are whining for a sentence said from the mouth of a Swiss guy instead of reading the whole post. Your argument is invalid =)

[Warp]

I don't really get these threads... the game ALREADY failed big time. There is no arguing that. Diablo III probably won't have much of an effect on the console gamers who will play FFXIV.

[viion]

Tera is way way to overhyped for a currently failing game... it has yet to do good in any market, including the nation where it was originally designed for. They had good ideas but atm unless they do major overhauls I do not see it doing much better then XIV honestly.

Kind of a weak argument compared to XIV lol.

TERA only lost 50% of its subs in KOR. XIV lost half a million worldwide. XIV is a worldwide embarrassment and failure. TERA is still surviving with 100k active and its PAY 2 PLAY lol. Not to mention now out in Japan.

Also you're wrong about the D3, I play XIV now and then, just waiting for it to become a good game so I only play now on updates, but come D3 (or any other mmo) I will be forgetting about XIV for a long time (probably continue playing on updates only). So it is not just those who have already quit.