Dear Gilgamesh Preemade.

[Mardel]

1. Well, if anything SE should make note and get rid of the GC requirement. Then this issue wouldn't occur because the team you could be on would be random!

2. After playing many games that have PvP you can never "prevent" premades effectively. By trying to get rid of premades you would be preventing people from playing with friends.

3. We've had some moments were we got countered well (some losses involved), if anything people should kind of know the strat by now and be working towards countering it.

[Xenosan]

All I want to know is what are your queue times????

[Hyrist]

1. Well, if anything SE should make note and get rid of the GC requirement. Then this issue wouldn't occur because the team you could be on would be random!

2. After playing many games that have PvP you can never "prevent" premades effectively. By trying to get rid of premades you would be preventing people from playing with friends.

3. We've had some moments were we got countered well (some losses involved), if anything people should kind of know the strat by now and be working towards countering it.

In response to 3, that was likely Fredric Chopin and company - they're making a valiant effort to organize the Maelstrom and I commend them. Games with them involved are much more fun.

In response to 2. We already have that occurring due to GC lockout between friends - this cripples participation because the only way friends can play together is to join one another's Grand Company. On Balmung, you're not likely to see that happen as it's the primary RP server and many players identify strongly with their GC. Which kinda cuts Balmung's group participation down.

What we have is a compound problem that begins with GC lockout. It seriously needs to go. After that, there needs to be a place for full premades to go for a challenge, and incentives to do that. Premades have the advantage of co-ordinating times with one another, as we've seen by the lovely cross-data center even we just had.

Between these two adjustments it will mitigate the damage that's been done to the PvP community and encourage more playing. Incentives for group functions (bonus Wolf Marks or perhaps a separate currency that can only be gained by going with a pre-established team) will encourage players to start to group together more - specially if the designs are well done. That'll improve the average quality in players for solo queue, which should have its own incentives.

[klops]

thx 4 the points

[Carmona]

thx 4 the points

Y'all want to Wolves' Den? So many PvP players on Aether, didn't think there'd actually be a PvP premade on the server we transferred to lmao

[Atreus]

There are quite a few premades from all GC's on Aether that stopped running at the dawn of Slaughter. They'll be back.

[Houston009]

So many PvPers on Gilgamesh won't do Wolves' Den, why?

[Mardel]

Achievements, and lack of player base.

[tpan]

So many PvPers on Gilgamesh won't do Wolves' Den, why?

My thoughts exactly. From what I know, Collision (from Gilgamesh) plays Frontlines with a lot of premades. However, they were the only group that said they'll play Wolves' Den during our event but backed out last minute with their reason being that they just wanted to LB (umm...). On the other hand, Sargatanas, Balmung, Faerie, and Midgardsormr had a strong showing and played extremely well in Wolves' Den. I'm confident that they are the better players by far and would like to thank you guys again for putting forth such awesome matches!

[Liptonicetea]

Let's be real the pvp in this game sucks, wolves den has no ranking system, and frontlines has all the achievements which is basically the only reason the premade exists. I don't think anyone from the premade ever claimed to be a god-tier pvp player. It's not like we're going into frontlines rubbing our hands maniacally and circle-jerking about how good we are for crushing pugs, we're just grinding out achievements.