Jeez... $30 for T9 carry?

[MeiUshu]

Just a thought we play games for a challenge why pay to win? all your doing is filling a criminals pockets to progress one dungeon, why not learn to beat it rather than be carried. And not forgetting breaking the TOC if you pay Real money, which will enevitable get your account deleted / banned and what progress does that give? Nothing, just destroys what genuine challenges you have beaten, why jeapodise that for a single dungeon?

because sometimes it is so frustrating not only in terms of not making it but also in terms of insults received from other players because you dared to queue in DF when you are still learning the fight that it paying for it seems the only option to just move on.

Paying says that you dont know the fight and says also that the rest of the group, if they want to be paid, WILL have to succeed so less abandon and less insults.

Although I never paid sometimes I wish I had.

Mei

[Jim_Berry]

I'm lost why you're comparing gil to real money... I mean, the two are about as related as apples and oranges. Seriously, stop giving RMT credit for... anything. Though, if you really want to find out how much gil is worth in real money, ask around how much a wedding ring is worth. You know, the only 'legal' means of turning money into gil.

I'm not one to have ever had more than 3 million. When I got the /tell from a Gil seller, I simply had the thought that if someone really wanted the clear, and didn't have the Gil, then they'd be buying the Gil for $30 to give it to the group that is clearing for them.

[Jim_Berry]

You needn't worry about Final Coil being required to unlock Alexander, the end game for 3.0. Though if you want to beat the Coils for the sake of saying that you did them, I can understand that. If you were on Leviathan I would introduce you to a linkshell I was recently invited to. They helped me get my T5 clear for my Leviathan character last night. (I've already done up to T7 on my Behemoth character, so now, both are caught up.)

Would be nice.

Having all my Coil wins up to T9 (excluding Savage) before they were unlocked via DF, you'd think I'd got T9 cleared by now lol...

[Jim_Berry]

holy crap hey jim lol

I moved from Malboro because there's nothing on it anymore, that server is pretty much dead now apart from approximately 1-2 groups, heck even trade and co left to go onto other servers because of how low populated and low potential there is.

i moved to Odin and i got t9 downed instantly, ive even cleared FCoB multiple times now and ive not regretted my move. but 8m for T9? wtf. on Odin its like 2.5m max if i remember for t9, if i was you i'd consider the cost to move, i didn't regret it and i doubt you will. that server held me back and i felt like i was paying a sub to do my weekly poetics.

Malboro is active, but mostly at peak hours. I get to enjoy content on my off days from work during those times. Other than that, I get off at 11pm. Only thing in PF is people selling stuff, Atma farm, and sometimes Hunts lol...

[TheRogueX]

I'm concerned with your talking about buying T9 in terms of dollars. Is $30 a lot to clear a turn? Yes. But players aren't charging dollars, they're charging gil. The only ones who think of gil in terms of dollars are gil sellers and gil buyers.

I'm lost why you're comparing gil to real money... I mean, the two are about as related as apples and oranges. Seriously, stop giving RMT credit for... anything. Though, if you really want to find out how much gil is worth in real money, ask around how much a wedding ring is worth. You know, the only 'legal' means of turning money into gil.

I'm not a bit concerned by this. It's a completely relevant and realistic leap of logic; the people who are most likely to buy runs through raids are also probably much more likely to buy gil with real money. THESE are the lazy people raiders should REALLY be complaining about... not the casual players who just want access to a story mode of Coil. How are you two so blind to that?

As an aside, I wonder how the guys who sell runs feel about the fact that they're profiting in-game off of gil buyers and gil sellers?

Just a thought we play games for a challenge why pay to win? all your doing is filling a criminals pockets to progress one dungeon, why not learn to beat it rather than be carried. And not forgetting breaking the TOC if you pay Real money, which will enevitable get your account deleted / banned and what progress does that give? Nothing, just destroys what genuine challenges you have beaten, why jeapodise that for a single dungeon?

Really? Everybody plays games solely for a challenge? What about people who play for story? Due to the challenge faced in the raids, some people are being denied access to story. I'm not saying it's right for people to sell runs through the dungeons (or for people to buy them - that whole "market" shouldn't exist and solely serves to line the pockets of gil farmers/sellers), but I understand some peoples' motivations.

[Accolade]

8mil does sound expensive yes. I see shouts on our server offering the carry for 1mil-1.5mil (but cannot lot drops).
Basically groups carry you for your 100 sol and a shot at gearing THEIR alt classes. Earning gil and progressing THIER Zodiac grind, whilst also gearing is a damn sweet deal for the carriers, compared to a t9 clear.

BUT obviously beating t9 opens FCoB, which means access to more weekly content for the carried person, and lets face it t10 and t11 are very easy, so it also opens opportunity for dreadworm gear. This to me is worth 1mil (not that I bought my win), but not 8mil.

[NovaUltimatum]

I believe they already confirmed Coil completion won't be needed to enter Alexander.

Just bear in mind that the most capable groups usually require people with the clear for the last tier of raiding content. Final Coil cleared in the case of Alexander.

Otherwise, yes the system itself should not have much before being able to enter. But we all know getting a decent group is the harder issue for raids.

[StouterTaru]

I've seen mercs doing T10 & T11 for 25m and T12 & T13 for 50m... so yeah I'll wait for echo or story/easymode.

They are probably selling their weekly lot on gear as well, that's why those are more expensive. I couldn't imagine someone paying for a clear with no drops.

[Zaft]

They are probably selling their weekly lot on gear as well, that's why those are more expensive. I couldn't imagine someone paying for a clear with no drops.

Getting the lot is much more. Looking at 100m+.

Some people really want that Final Witness title/Louis minion.

[Mandoska-Beauregard]

Is not the same price on all the server. On Moogle it's 2 at 2.5m with loot for T9.