[dev1032] PUG skills singled out.

[Arcell]

I'm not arguing the fantasy/magical attack point anymore. It doesn't make sense simply because other classes using similar skills do not require MP. Other skills and abilities that give similar effects do not require MP. Why should a few Pugilist attack skills be singled out in requiring MP? Within the world's rules it doesn't make sense.

What other classes have shared cooldowns on attacks? The only one I can think of is Archer with Light Shot and Close Shot (which isn't even a guild marks gained attack).

[Physic]

I'm not arguing the fantasy/magical attack point anymore. It doesn't make sense simply because other classes using similar skills do not require MP. Other skills and abilities that give similar effects do not require MP. Why should a few Pugilist attack skills be singled out in requiring MP? Within the world's rules it doesn't make sense.

What other classes have shared cooldowns on attacks? The only one I can think of is Archer with Light Shot and Close Shot (which isn't even a guild marks gained attack).

not to mention the shared cool down is equal to thier bow delay, ome i have to wait 4 seconds! say hello to 30 seconds chump.

[Murugan]

not to mention the shared cool down is equal to thier bow delay, ome i have to wait 4 seconds! say hello to 30 seconds chump.

Well Archer's auto attack isn't quite the same as ours. The whole argument here is that we are unfairly punished in comparison with other classes.

I just think if you look at the other classes basic attacks they either aren't as good (heavy thrust and pierce are not as good as flurry or pummel) or they share a timer, which is why we got a minor MP cost. I'd simply rather have an MP cost you can manage rather than a different restriction or nerf in its place that would be far worse for our balance in comparison.

[hotah]

....I just think if you look at the other classes basic attacks they either aren't as good.....

Can you explain why they aren't as good as Flurry or Pummel?

[NoctisUmbra]

I just think if you look at the other classes basic attacks they either aren't as good (heavy thrust and pierce are not as good as flurry or pummel) or they share a timer, which is why we got a minor MP cost. I'd simply rather have an MP cost you can manage rather than a different restriction or nerf in its place that would be far worse for our balance in comparison.

Since you want to talk LNC vs PGL:

Basic Skill Type----------Pugilist--------------Lancer

Attack + Effect------------Light Strike--------Heavy Thrust

Extra TP--------------------Pummel------------Full Thrust

Extra Damage----------------Flurry--------------Pierce

It all looks balanced to me.... until you suddenly add MP costs to Pummel and Light Strike for no apparent reason.

I suppose some visual aid may help.