It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Dererk]

if 20/15% echo can't help, 25% won't help either.

So people just want a hand out in a game a mmo because they pay to play it even thou the content is there but they too lazy to learn or say it's too hard or got real life stuff going on?

Ok then lets put the echo at 1 No 50 no 9000% I bet people would still complain I'm pretty sure the mass majority of people don't even want this its unfair I find it that the probably 10 20% of people who don't want an easier story raids think they out weigh the people who don't I don't like to say this but if it's so important for them to see the story with their own character...

They don't care enough because then they'd gather Gil and buy clears from the trash known as clear sellers.
The easy story mode they want is there just gota pay millions of gil.

[Kuwagami]

Not what I meant, and I had a hard time to read you here...

So people just want a hand out in a game a mmo because they pay to play it even thou the content is there but they too lazy to learn or say it's too hard or got real life stuff going on?

Read a few posts earlier to see this isn't the only case. You really should stop the strawman here, you're only making a fool of yourself

Ok then lets put the echo at 1 No 50 no 9000% I bet people would still complain I'm pretty sure the mass majority of people don't even want this its unfair I find it that the probably 10 20% of people who don't want an easier story raids think they out weigh the people who don't I don't like to say this but if it's so important for them to see the story with their own character...

I didn't understand your point here. You may want to add some punctuation I think
That aside, you didn't understand what I wanted to say :
Echo is already here, and there is largely enough now to clear all the dps checks. If it doesn't help people now, adding more echo won't help. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself on the contrary.

[Dererk]

That's really all this thread is its asking for a hand out in not trying to do a straw man or what ever it is but people here are pretty much just saying the community sucks when it doesn't.

Why are you playing a game if you don't want a challenge this is an mmo there's a set difficulty to all things be it rng mechanics or just uhh i think that's all point is there is no Easter option no difficulty selected no pausing no hand outs the developers are this worlds gods and are free to set it how they like they will make adjustments as needed increase drop rates nerf mechanics after awhile give more buffs take away buffs.

Sure they will make mistakes here and there their people but this is a game end game is optional. Yes we pay to play I understand that every one deserves to see and do every thing but they need to do the work not sit and complain about it being too hard is there stuff I'd like to see sure do I want to see a whole story sure have I ever beaten a Final Fantasy game? No no I have not unless you count Final Fantasy tactics as one then yes but that's all really.

Point is stop complaining play the game get some learning in on the turns ask friends for help on the hard turns after you get experience in then you'll be able to see the story.

[FranSeara]

Happy Friday guys, please enjoy the weekend.


ps: A Small team coil mode might be harder then a 8 man mode. The idea is to give players more ways to try and complete Coils other then paying for runs or waiting a Q for 5 hours.

Anyways, see yea guys!

[Velhart]

I didn't understand your point here. You may want to add some punctuation I think
That aside, you didn't understand what I wanted to say :
Echo is already here, and there is largely enough now to clear all the dps checks. If it doesn't help people now, adding more echo won't help. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself on the contrary.

They have already gimped previous Coil turns. Turn 7, which was definitely the hardest turn of 2nd Coil to most people, is now a joke and can even be beaten in Duty Finder. The towers are less of a hassle in T8, and instant death mechanics in T6 were removed. It is an absolute joke to accomplish these turns even for the less experienced players.

[Magis]

They have already gimped previous Coil turns. Turn 7, which was definitely the hardest turn of 2nd Coil to most people, is now a joke and can even be beaten in Duty Finder. The towers are less of a hassle in T8, and instant death mechanics in T6 were removed. It is an absolute joke to accomplish these turns even for the less experienced players.

Mhm, all the teeth has been pulled. T7 you can get stoned over and over and still clear it. I haven't done the older coils (pre-T9) in a while post nerf, but now I recall how easy it was after echo and nerfs were introduced! This still doesn't take away the fact the story isn't hidden or "barred" like many posters keep saying thanks to YouTube. If their character being in the cutscene is so important, then earn that right. Heck, as another poster said, you could buy your run from casually farming gil, so if even at this point coil is too hard, there already is an alternative.

Happy Friday guys, please enjoy the weekend.


ps: A Small team coil mode might be harder then a 8 man mode. The idea is to give players more ways to try and complete Coils other then paying for runs or waiting a Q for 5 hours.

Anyways, see yea guys!

Too bad people (or certain posters at least) are complaining about coil being too hard not that they can't get a group. I'm all up for harder coils.

[Kuwagami]

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I'll stop trying to understand you starting now. Either put some commas and dots here or remain ignored.

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T5 and T9 are untouched.
Also, saying T7 (pre nerf) was harder than T9 is just saying that fights with RNG are harder than fixed fights. They're not. They just ask different reactions and knowledge of the fight.

That was what the thread was initially about before it derailed in the now too many answers it got.

And please, read the OP, even though the words might not have been exactly what I would want them to be now :

=> new raid, normal difficulty and all
=> 3 month after, at next patch, the story mode opens for those who did not manage to win the last part of the raid. Winning a story floor does not allow to enter a "normal" floor after. As an example, T6 story mode would not unlock T7 normal mode but only T7 story mode.

=> 3 month after, new raid. The story mode of the old raid doesn't grant access to the new one. As an example, T9 story mode doesn't grant access to T10 normal mode. You'll have to wait 3 month to get the T10-... in story mode to progress in the story.

no loot, no influence on high end raiders (in the sense which they wouldn't have to play with people not meeting their skill standards. That was a point constantly made back when I made this subject, FIVE month ago), no need to nerf regular coil as there already is the easy way available to progress through the story...

Why people were against that back then is beyond me. Why people are still against that when Alexander is most likely going to follow this path ("easy" mode then challenging mode, while "easy" mode might not be THAT easy) is strange but I don't care anymore. It's happening.

At this point, I'm just wondering why are people constantly saying "be better nub or go watch youtube" when the way they are defending is reaping their right to keep the challenge, and why they're arguing against something that would have achieved what the nerfs are more or less doing now (better access for the masses), while still keeping the challenge raiders supposedly love in regular mode.


But if you truly prefer the nerfs, more power to you.

Just allow me to find that not logic.

[EdwinLi]

This thread is most likely the 2nd longest existing thread in this section of the forum. (#1 is Gif thread )

On topic:
Well here my last opinion on this matter...

I think they could of easily avoided this issue if they actually considered splitting a Endgame Mode and a Story mode from the start of Coil anyways. This entire thread now is just about who deserves to have their own character experience the important storyline of Coil now which this idea was partly created from how there was no separate mode for Coil early in coil's lifespan.

Not many people took into consider what will happen to coil and access to the coil storyline until mostly now since Coil was still the current endgame and it standing as Endgame wasn't threated by another Endgame until 3.0 and higher. However, like I said before as FF14 gets old the accessability of Coil decrease as newer, better, high level, better loot Endgame raids get introduced (that do not require players to complete coil) and more people focus on that New Endgame as they have either already gone through coil back when it was still considered useful for endgame, skipped Coil because they can get better gear through other less stressful methods, time has made Coil obsolete due to the newer endgame raid providing better things, and/or etc.

In the end it's mostly about what will become of coil once it is a "Old Content" within the 3.X and higher eras and no longer considered endgame worthy material.

[Laraul]

Mhm, all the teeth has been pulled. T7 you can get stoned over and over and still clear it. I haven't done the older coils (pre-T9) in a while post nerf, but now I recall how easy it was after echo and nerfs were introduced!

It's pretty obvious you haven't done the other coils in a while. I'm guessing since FCOB came out if you think it's possible to be stoned over and over in turn 7. If the tank or healers get petrified, it's a wipe. Go do some pre-FCOB coil before making an ignoramus of yourself.

[Dererk]

People here keep saying they play Final Fantasy games for the story that's an important note but their not all easy are they? No they aren't but this is an mmo and your asking for a story node to coil when it all ready has a story,it all ready us in place,its been beaten by people. But your asking this now I don't know how long ago but your asking them to take time and money away to redo the whole thing so that there are 2 separate modes,yes this is what your asking and its what it would do.

The story for coil just ties the stuff together it you can't really have anything good with out having a story in some where.

This is my main and really only problem with what your asking for, there is not really enough end game stuff for right now besides coil and extream primals. If they do what your asking for right now it will take development time and money away from developing much more stuff at the moment no this is not a good idea. Perhaps one day you can have this but not yet.

Also you say that there won't be people interested in old content. Well when the expansion hits we will most likely be seeing a lot of new players so stop saying no one will be interested and let the developers put their time into outing out more stuff please.