[dev1032] PUG skills singled out.

[Greed]

Why do we need to make melee easier to play again? Melee DD is already an easier role than healing/nuking/tanking, it is my favorite role but it's pretty easy in comparison. I don't think we need any more handicaps personally.

...it's not about begin easy
it's about equal
they should remove mp cost from pug or give it to all other DoW class
it's just not fair for pug

[Murugan]

...it's not about begin easy
it's about equal
they should remove mp cost from pug or give it to all other DoW class
it's just not fair for pug

That's not really fair. Light strike is simply better than other abilities, as is pummel. So I'm fine with them having MP cost as long as we have a way (within our class) to maintain them with some effort.

Now since we don't currently have this, I think we need either an in-class solution or them removed.

My bigger concern is that flurry is still broken in BR. This should have been fixed in 1.18a

Flurry still acts like it is a heavy strike activated ability, so it won't let you queue it. This makes no sense with the 1.18 changes.

Also as for how "fair" it is, it's really not hard to manage except in situations where you are tanking or dps'ing and healing yourself with cure quite a bit. In those cases (generally the instances) you do have the option of using Ethers. So it isn't like a gamebreaker or anything.

[hotah]

Light strike is simply better than other abilities, as is pummel. So I'm fine with them having MP cost as long as we have a way (within our class) to maintain them with some effort.

Wait, how is pummel better? Our autoattack is 2 swings. It's a 2 swing strike. Pugilists are balanced around 2 swings. It's essentially the same skill as Full Thrust or Heavy Swing.

Also, shouldn't Light Stab have an MP cost since it provides a buff after using it, too?

[Greed]

That's not really fair. Light strike is simply better than other abilities, as is pummel. So I'm fine with them having MP cost as long as we have a way (within our class) to maintain them with some effort.

Now since we don't currently have this, I think we need either an in-class solution or them removed.

My bigger concern is that flurry is still broken in BR. This should have been fixed in 1.18a

Flurry still acts like it is a heavy strike activated ability, so it won't let you queue it. This makes no sense with the 1.18 changes.

Also as for how "fair" it is, it's really not hard to manage except in situations where you are tanking or dps'ing and healing yourself with cure quite a bit. In those cases (generally the instances) you do have the option of using Ethers. So it isn't like a gamebreaker or anything.

...you are talking about r45~50 pug....
( I grind sp solo = I have to fight while healing myself and no one want to join sp party for low level in my server)