[dev1032] PUG skills singled out.

[Altanas]

why not add a secondary effect to Second Wind that also restores some MP when its used by Pugilists main class. I'd rather that than yet another ability clogging up my bar.

at the moment i'm casting stygian spikes on pug but if i wanted to cast spells i'd go play a DoM class.

I dont mind abilities costing MP that are on a long-ish recast timer, but not pretty much the basic attacks.

[Fated]

I found this to be really weird as well.

[Alyssa]

Agreed
/10char

[hotah]

Still looking for an answer.

[Murugan]

why not add a secondary effect to Second Wind that also restores some MP when its used by Pugilists main class. I'd rather that than yet another ability clogging up my bar.

This is the best solution I've heard so far. It can be a small amount, like less than one ether and it would still be enough. Until then... well there are ethers.

[hotah]

I, personally, think the best solution is to remove the MP costs entirely.

[Murugan]

I, personally, think the best solution is to remove the MP costs entirely.

Why do we need to make melee easier to play again? Melee DD is already an easier role than healing/nuking/tanking, it is my favorite role but it's pretty easy in comparison. I don't think we need any more handicaps personally.

[Greed]

Why do we need to make melee easier to play again? Melee DD is already an easier role than healing/nuking/tanking, it is my favorite role but it's pretty easy in comparison. I don't think we need any more handicaps personally.

...it's not about begin easy
it's about equal
they should remove mp cost from pug or give it to all other DoW class
it's just not fair for pug

[Murugan]

...it's not about begin easy
it's about equal
they should remove mp cost from pug or give it to all other DoW class
it's just not fair for pug

That's not really fair. Light strike is simply better than other abilities, as is pummel. So I'm fine with them having MP cost as long as we have a way (within our class) to maintain them with some effort.

Now since we don't currently have this, I think we need either an in-class solution or them removed.

My bigger concern is that flurry is still broken in BR. This should have been fixed in 1.18a

Flurry still acts like it is a heavy strike activated ability, so it won't let you queue it. This makes no sense with the 1.18 changes.

Also as for how "fair" it is, it's really not hard to manage except in situations where you are tanking or dps'ing and healing yourself with cure quite a bit. In those cases (generally the instances) you do have the option of using Ethers. So it isn't like a gamebreaker or anything.

[Arcell]

Why do we need to make melee easier to play again? Melee DD is already an easier role than healing/nuking/tanking, it is my favorite role but it's pretty easy in comparison. I don't think we need any more handicaps personally.

It's not about making things easier, it's about removing needlessly stupid and unnecessary MP costs on attacks that aren't magic based at all. Pugilist should not have MP cost on attacks. I would be fine with Monk if it made sense, but that's the job Monk. Pugilist is strictly a fist fighting class.

Also as others have said it's about equality. Other classes have skills that have the same effect but no MP cost. Why only Pugilist?