SMN redesign in expansion?

[Skeith-Adeline]

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"They need to differentiate the classes enough so they won't be CCs."

SMNs use DoTs. That's not direct damage, blunt damage. (not blunt as literally, I mean blunt as in full damage up front). If their SMNs because the source of their power, then it wouldn't be a CC. It seems like you've misinterpreted my comment lol.

[Sanguisio]

I think they need to give SMNs new DOTs which employ effects similar to saboteurs, or a stance which similar to Rogue/Ninja applies these affects to skills. That way you wouldnt buff SCH as well

[Cattastro]

err..not to be modest..but summoner have their pet with its own potency rite? if add with dot..do they dun do good damage? it just mp problem that se shuld care and of course the egi appreances..n the tri disaster skill..its useless..melee egi shuld be fast n have good resistance too..

[Sanguisio]

Sorry to shoot you down, but even SMN+Pet dps is less than it should be. Tri-disaster is just as useful/useless as freeze get over it.

[Dyvid]

Well one thing they could do with Shiva, Ramuh, and Levi is have them as a time limit pet similar to WoW Infernal and Doomguard.

[Akiza]

Well one thing they could do with Shiva, Ramuh, and Levi is have them as a time limit pet similar to WoW Infernal and Doomguard.

That would suck unless the limited pets are the primal itself and Ifit, Titan and Garuda were also limited pets.

[zeroaru]

Sorry to shoot you down, but even SMN+Pet dps is less than it should be. Tri-disaster is just as useful/useless as freeze get over it.

I actually like freeze, I know a few BLMs who weave it into their AOE rotations in big pulls instead of using the single target Blizzard 3 to enter their Umbral phase.

Unfortunately Tri-Disaster doesn't have that utility. When I was progressing and levelling up as a SMN I never bothered to read up on what skills were coming to me aside from their names. I honestly thought Tri-Disaster would be an Enkindle like ability that would case all three of your main dots with a slight buff in unison, but with a huge 5 minute cool down.

Boy was I disappointed. A bind that is rarely useful outside of solo play and even then the cast time is so long that the enemy is either dead from dots before it reaches you or you're half dead from enemy attacks before it finishes casting (Source: Personal experience)

[Sanguisio]

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Well that's good for you, I does have little uses like allowing for you start your cast off in ice before mobs are back. But generally speaking it isnt necessary or all that useful in the grand scheme of things.

Tri disaster is just a bind, used in speedruns of dungeons (wp in old days etc) and pvp but CC in this game isn't used at end game for the most part. The cast time isn't that long and tbh if you are using it on mobs that can be downed in 3s, you should be DPSing on CCing.

[zeroaru]

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I personally don't tend to use freeze as I don't run my BLM much, but others I know love it and use it often on trash pulls or the CT/ST/WOD quest lines.

I know what Tri-disaster is/isn't used for - But It's gotten to the point where people I run with are so overly geared (I'm not, my SMN is i100) that even the amount of CC I'm required to do is negligible because by the time my DOTs are distributed they're rarely anything more than a Fester away from death. It's a shame really because Tri-disaster has one of my favourite cast animations in the game.

Mind you, I'm a main tank so I wouldn't consider myself a career summoner, I rarely run it these days because of the issues it has in end game, if it was a little more viable for me to run endgame without being perfectly geared I'd hang up my axe for good.

[Romsca]

I was just thinking about that Sanguisio. With a summoner in group, tank could pull every trash up to the boss room and summoner would tri disaster them. Once the boss room locks agro'd trash stop and go back to their spawn point. Of course this could be done with blizzard 2, freeze, aoe sleep, etc.. In some ways it's probably better than gathering trash to flare/holy spam. Certain dungeons like AK won't work because you have to kill mobs to open doors to demon wall.