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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    You only really need to use it before boss fights anyway and most of the time unless you get one of those Tanks that just charges into everything you should have enough time to use SS2 on everyone however i do agree that the long cast time is weird considering it can only be used outside combat so it wouldn't be that OP to be able to insta cast it between pulls.
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    Frederick Chronos
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    faster sure why not
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    You guys are avoiding my question. This ability cannot be casted in battle, It's the ONLY ability you can't use in battle (other than un-upgraded Raise). There's no purpose to give it a casting time other than defeating the purpose of its existence in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    You only really need to use it before boss fights anyway and most of the time unless you get one of those Tanks that just charges into everything you should have enough time to use SS2 on everyone however i do agree that the long cast time is weird considering it can only be used outside combat so it wouldn't be that OP to be able to insta cast it between pulls.
    So waiting for 6 seconds between pulls will make it less OP lol?
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    Player Houston009's Avatar
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    Straigus Rheyist
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    Try to be a little grateful it even exist.
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  6. #16
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    Kelya Asura
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    SS2 is only a must have for coil/primals in 8 man missions. Most of the time you have Swiftcast ready once you wiped, I personnaly almost never have to cast it. When I have to, that's not a big deal, before you needed almost 30s to SS everyone xD

    And 6s is nothing when your party must wait like 2 min after each wipe for their CD. In the end it's really changing nothing, above all for 4 man dungeons
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    Viviza Viza
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbreak View Post
    A. What if Swiftcast is on CD

    B. Can you think of a reason why SS2 has a casting time?
    Yes. So that it's inconvenient to use prior to every pull. It's nice before bosses or if you want to not have swiftcast for a minute.

    If it was instant, why have it at all? Why not just make it a WHM trait that everyone around you always has stoneskin while out of battle. Automatically applied. Raises, spot healing, teleports, and buffs too. Also we can teleport to the next group of mobs automatically because it's out of battle and there's no reason not to just be there, already.
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viviza View Post
    Yes. So that it's inconvenient to use prior to every pull. It's nice before bosses or if you want to not have swiftcast for a minute.

    If it was instant, why have it at all? Why not just make it a WHM trait that everyone around you always has stoneskin while out of battle. Automatically applied. Raises, spot healing, teleports, and buffs too. Also we can teleport to the next group of mobs automatically because it's out of battle and there's no reason not to just be there, already.
    You can probably anwser your own question. Why did SE introduce SS2?

    And like I talked about the other abilities, there's a reason they need cast time because you can use them in battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelya View Post
    SS2 is only a must have for coil/primals in 8 man missions. Most of the time you have Swiftcast ready once you wiped, I personnaly almost never have to cast it. When I have to, that's not a big deal, before you needed almost 30s to SS everyone xD

    And 6s is nothing when your party must wait like 2 min after each wipe for their CD. In the end it's really changing nothing, above all for 4 man dungeons
    So when you do cast SS before pulls, you cast them 1 by 1? Or you don't cast them at all?
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  10. #20
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    Viviza Viza
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbreak View Post
    You can probably anwser your own question. Why did SE introduce SS2?
    Because investing 24s to cast stoneskins on a raid group before each pull was monotonous. There was no choice or timing involved beyond that initial decision to stoneskin everyone, so you may as well have done it with a macro. That doesn't mean the group version should just ignore the notion of costs - there are still tradeoffs to consider when casting it or not.
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